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#440791 12/13/03 03:52 PM
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I've never done this before, but I could use some advice. I just confirmed my H was having an affair with a co-worker for about 3 years. It remained an emotional affair until January when it became sexual. I discovered many things through these 3 years and would confront him, and he would say they were just friends and that he would stop communicating with her. Then I would find something else and it would start all over. 1 year ago, he finally admitted they had become more than friends, but still not physical. I almost left then, but found His Needs Her Needs and we read it together & decided to work on our marriage. Shortly after, the affair became physical, which I discovered on Thanksgiving morning. I want to seperate from him until he finds a new job in another state. He feels this is unwise if we truly want our marriage to work. Does anyone have any wise input into this situation? My emotions can't handle another discovery. Thanks!

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Read all about Plan A. Sorry this is happening to you, but luckily you found this site. Stick with the MB program, read all about it here, and things can get better than they were before. Hang in there and keep posting.

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Teacher,
I recently found out about my H affair too, actually about 2 days before you did. I did throw him out initially, and then he left on a trip for his son's football league. When he came home, we talked and decided to work things out. (Initially, and as for as long as I can remember, I've always said that there would never be any question, it would be over, and he knew this). Well, he was shocked and happy. We are in counseling through my employer and through the Church. Things are going well, although it is very tough at times for me...visuals, anger, sadness, decreased self-esteem, etc. But, we are becoming very close again. He says he was stupid and, of course, promises that he would never do it again. Stupid thing is, I believe him. He promised on his kids' lives, which he hates that kind of thing. I am going through a rough time of trying to trust him, but doubting him anytime I can. Anyway, in answer to your question, I would get some counseling and ask them what to do about living arrangements. Personally, I want to be around him all the time so that I know what he is doing, where he is, etc.

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</font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial"> You can recover. Many people have. It isn't easy, and not everyone succeeds, but as long as you are both working on it, your chances are close to 100%. If your spouse is NOT willing to work on your marriage, is denying involvement in an affair despite the evidence, and/or is continuing an affair, read What Are Plan A and Plan B? after reading the "Basic Concepts" links below. In that case, you need to start Plan A with the help of a marriage counselor (see item #2, below). There are a couple terrific posts about Plan A that are worth reading at: Plan A, Doormats and Love Busters by Zorweb and Cerri on Plan A, which will help you avoid some of the common pitfalls. Your situation is harder, but your chances of saving your marriage and actually making it better than before are still good. But, whether your spouse is "on board" or not, you should do three things:

1.) Learn. The most important and helpful single source of information for my wife and I was “Surviving an Affair” by Willard Harley (hereinafter referred to as “SAA”) available at the Bookstore, Amazon.com, and bookstores all over. SAA is THE best book on the market for helping one get to the root of “the message of the affair” (BUT YOU HAVE TO DO THE QUESTIONAIRES!). It (along with the Basic Concepts section of this site) is also helpful for giving you a vision of what a great marriage should look like. The approach of SAA to this problem is that the best defense against affairs is to have a great marriage. My wife said we had a good marriage, but she still had an affair. She was kidding herself, but it was not until we read SAA and saw what a great marriage should look like that we could clearly identify the problem areas and had the tools necessary to fix them. So that you can get started right away, while waiting for SAA to arrive in the mail, read everything in the Basic Concepts section of this site. Next, read all the Q&A's on infidelity on this site. They are found at How to Survive Infidelity

The phrase “the message of the affair” is from the book “Torn Asunder”, by Carder (hereinafter referred to as “TA”). I personally think this is the best book on affair recovery we have read. In particular it deals with the two different paths the recovery of the betrayed spouse (BS) and the wayward spouse (WS) need to take, and deals w/ remorse in a way that I prefer to SAA. Read it together, if your spouse is willing. If not, go through it yourself. If you or your spouse has issues with control, you might also want to read “The State of Affairs”, (SOA) by Todd Mulliken, which also treats the remorse issue similarly to TA. SOA also deals with "the vision thing" for marriage, which is neglected in SAA.

2.) See a marriage counselor. This is hard. You need help. These boards are populated by amateurs. MC’s are professionals. There is a difference. They can help deal with issues the books don’t cover, and customize things to your individual situation. That said, there are lots of bad MC’s in the world. Read, and take to heart, How To Find A Good Marriage Counselor. You do not want an MC that is going to teach you how to live with an awful spouse, or how to adjust to divorce. Too many of them do, as is documented here: Hazardous Counseling. Reading that link may scare you off counseling, but it should give you some good ideas to ask a potential MC before you start w/ them, so you can avoid those that give you the wrong answers. You need one that is committed to helping couples have great marriages, and knows how to do that.

You are on an emotional rollercoaster right now, and there will be times that you will think it would be best to just divorce your spouse and go on with your life. Though there are no guarantees, recovery IS possible, but it takes time and effort. You will hate yourself if you don't do everything you can to make that happen. Give yourself the time you need.

3.) I understand that you may not be a person of faith, but for me, getting my spiritual life in order was crucial. As I said, this is hard. I knew I would need all the help I could get. Repenting of the habitual sins in my life let me stop pushing God away so I could hold on for dear life. I had to humble myself and ask Him what I had done wrong, and what I could do to be the husband He wanted me to be for his child, my wife. This was not about blaming myself. It was about doing what I could to do my part in having a great marriage. My wife could participate or not, but I had to know I had done everything I could do. It also helped me to let go of thinking about what SHE needed to do, since I couldn't control her, anyway.

You might also want to read through: WAT's Quick Start Guidelines for Betrayed Spouses, but keep in mind that these are the writings of amateurs. Get the books, read the articles, and see a GOOD counselor - you need the best help you can get.

Of course, that is just my opinions and what worked for me, who experienced it once, first hand. Harley, who has helped HUNDREDS of couples through this process, lays out his program in the following link: How to Survive Infidelity You will find that I mostly followed his plan. It works. </font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial">

#440795 12/15/03 02:47 PM
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Wow, it seems like Thanksgiving was a busy week...my husband also confesed to having an A for over year last Thanksgiving Sunday. I also had always thought that if he ever did something like that to me I wouldn't even hesitate a second!...but guess what?...he is still at home, and we are trying to work it out. It hasn't been easy and I too still have my up and down days where sometimes it seems like everything is going to be ok and other times I just don't think it's worth fighting for. One thing is for sure though, until I figure out if I can move past this, I am keeping him around me as much as I can <img border="0" title="" alt="[Wink]" src="images/icons/wink.gif" /> I think you should do the same.
Hang in there, we'll get through this. <img border="0" title="" alt="[Smile]" src="images/icons/smile.gif" />


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