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My wife is having an affair with an ex from years ago. I found emails , and found wher she had been calling from home, and she stopped and started calling from work. I confronted her about it and she refuses to end the relationship. Is there anyway to monitor her at work? email, or telephone?

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Hello,

I am sorry you have to be here. You cannot rebuild your marriage if your wife is continuing to see and have sex with the other man. There has to be consequences to her actions. "No consequences to her actions equals no motivation to change." I would suggest you tell her to move out or inform her what the legal ramifications will be.
If the roles were reversed, do you really think your wife would accept this behavior from you? She is what we call a cakewoman which is a person who wishes to have their cake and eat it too. She wishes to stay married and continue to have the material benefits and to have a lover on the side. This is totally disrespectful to you and your marriage. In addition, she is putting your health at risk.
Make sure she realizes the consequences of her actions and do not enable her to continue her affair. She must see there are consequences to her actions. I wish you luck.

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</font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial"> Is there anyway to monitor her at work? email, or telephone? </font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial">No, but the path to recovery is outlined below. </font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial"> You can recover. Many people have. It isn't easy, and not everyone succeeds, but as long as you are both working on it, your chances are close to 100%. If your spouse is NOT willing to work on your marriage, is denying involvement in an affair despite the evidence, and/or is continuing an affair, read What Are Plan A and Plan B? after reading the "Basic Concepts" links below. In that case, you need to start Plan A with the help of a marriage counselor (see item #2, below). There are a couple terrific posts about Plan A that are worth reading at: Plan A, Doormats and Love Busters by Zorweb and Cerri on Plan A, which will help you avoid some of the common pitfalls. Your situation is harder, but your chances of saving your marriage and actually making it better than before are still good. But, whether your spouse is "on board" or not, you should do three things:

1.) Learn. The most important and helpful single source of information for my wife and I was “Surviving an Affair” by Willard Harley (hereinafter referred to as “SAA”) available at the Bookstore, Amazon.com, and bookstores all over. SAA is THE best book on the market for helping one get to the root of “the message of the affair” (BUT YOU HAVE TO DO THE QUESTIONAIRES!). It (along with the Basic Concepts section of this site) is also helpful for giving you a vision of what a great marriage should look like. The approach of SAA to this problem is that the best defense against affairs is to have a great marriage. My wife said we had a good marriage, but she still had an affair. She was kidding herself, but it was not until we read SAA and saw what a great marriage should look like that we could clearly identify the problem areas and had the tools necessary to fix them. So that you can get started right away, while waiting for SAA to arrive in the mail, read everything in the Basic Concepts section of this site. Next, read all the Q&A's on infidelity on this site. They are found at How to Survive Infidelity

The phrase “the message of the affair” is from the book “Torn Asunder”, by Carder (hereinafter referred to as “TA”). I personally think this is the best book on affair recovery we have read. In particular it deals with the two different paths the recovery of the betrayed spouse (BS) and the wayward spouse (WS) need to take, and deals w/ remorse in a way that I prefer to SAA. Read it together, if your spouse is willing. If not, go through it yourself. If you or your spouse has issues with control, you might also want to read “The State of Affairs”, (SOA) by Todd Mulliken, which also treats the remorse issue similarly to TA. SOA also deals with "the vision thing" for marriage, which is neglected in SAA.

2.) See a marriage counselor. This is hard. You need help. These boards are populated by amateurs. MC’s are professionals. There is a difference. They can help deal with issues the books don’t cover, and customize things to your individual situation. That said, there are lots of bad MC’s in the world. Read, and take to heart, How To Find A Good Marriage Counselor. You do not want an MC that is going to teach you how to live with an awful spouse, or how to adjust to divorce. Too many of them do, as is documented here: Hazardous Counseling. Reading that link may scare you off counseling, but it should give you some good ideas to ask a potential MC before you start w/ them, so you can avoid those that give you the wrong answers. You need one that is committed to helping couples have great marriages, and knows how to do that.

You are on an emotional rollercoaster right now, and there will be times that you will think it would be best to just divorce your spouse and go on with your life. Though there are no guarantees, recovery IS possible, but it takes time and effort. You will hate yourself if you don't do everything you can to make that happen. Give yourself the time you need.

3.) I understand that you may not be a person of faith, but for me, getting my spiritual life in order was crucial. As I said, this is hard. I knew I would need all the help I could get. Repenting of the habitual sins in my life let me stop pushing God away so I could hold on for dear life. I had to humble myself and ask Him what I had done wrong, and what I could do to be the husband He wanted me to be for his child, my wife. This was not about blaming myself. It was about doing what I could to do my part in having a great marriage. My wife could participate or not, but I had to know I had done everything I could do. It also helped me to let go of thinking about what SHE needed to do, since I couldn't control her, anyway.

You might also want to read through: WAT's Quick Start Guidelines for Betrayed Spouses, but keep in mind that these are the writings of amateurs. Get the books, read the articles, and see a GOOD counselor - you need the best help you can get.

Of course, that is just my opinions and what worked for me, who experienced it once, first hand. Harley, who has helped HUNDREDS of couples through this process, lays out his program in the following link: How to Survive Infidelity You will find that I mostly followed his plan. It works. </font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial">

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jack I strongly advice you to contact Steve Harley or his sister Jennifer Harley Chalmers from Marriage Builders Counseling Service. or Penny Tupy from Save Your Marriage Central . Counseling ain't cheap but its a lot cheaper than divorce lawyers.

In the meantime please get ASAP Dr Willard Harley's book 'Surviving An Affair' and avoid all love busters (Dr Willard Harley's term for habits that destroy romantic love) which will further push her into the arms of the OM(other man). Love busters are the following:

1. Angry Outbursts - Who wants to live with a time bomb?

2. Selfish Demands - Who wants to live with a dictator?

3. Disrespectful Judgements - Who wants to live a critic?

4. Dishonesty - Who wants to live with a liar?

5. Independent Behavior - Who wants to live with a selfish jerk?

6. Annoying Habits - Who wants to live with a leaky faucet?

It only takes one love buster to undo all the good of all your positive actions towards her.

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First off, welcome to MB.

Secondly, there is no need to monitor her at work. The affair continues until she displays continuous evidence to you that it has stopped.

Read John's post carefully. It contains a lot of wonderful information that I agree with, and there is no need for me to retype it. <img border="0" title="" alt="[Smile]" src="images/icons/smile.gif" />

Give Penny a call, and buy the book "Surviving An Affair" immediately. You are going to need to begin a Plan A.

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i'm reviewing the information on plan A, but it's very hard, i cant even look her in the eye, it really disgusts me. and she acts like nothing's wrong. part of me just want's to get things in order for me and my 2 yr old daughter. it does help iin this forum to release my frustrations. but i've very hard being in the same roomcar w/someone andknowingthat they're dileberately disrespecting me on a daily basis and cares nothing. i'm wondering if i should get legal advice.

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Hello Jackflash,

Knowledge is power. I was going to say no consequences to her actions equals no motivation to change but from your message is sounds like she does not give a fig and continues with the affair right in front of you. I would strongly suggest that you contact an attorney and protect your financial and child rights right now. If she does not care about disrespecting you in this manner then I would not be surprised if she just might be thinking of getting the jump on you. You need to protect your assets because for her to continue to act this way indicates that she has plan in motion because most men would not accept her actions without making her leave. I wish you luck but please protect yourself.


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