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Today while dropping my daughters home, I came across evidence that my wife is using contraceptives. I had a vasectomy 6 years ago and we have not had SF for 15 months due to some serious challenges in our marriage and our current separation.

I have no hard evidence that my wife is seeing someone else, but all the changes in her point to this fact, including loss of 25 pounds, tons of new clothes, a teeny-bopper attitude (even though she is in her late 30's), absolutely no interest in me as a friend, let alone her marriage partner, weekly visits to dance clubs (sometimes out all night), her reliance on two friends who encourage her lifestyle, and her removing herself from the influence of people who truly know her, love her and want the best for her.

I guess it is possible she is using contraceptives for an irregular menstrual flow, but I am really struggling with how I should handle this. If I confront her - after snooping -it may destroy what little respect she has left for me. If I say nothing and tell nobody, maybe an affair will last longer if the truth is not brought to light. If I say little, but move to Plan B, it may not work either as plan A'ing for 9 months got me nowhere - except out of the house on July 24th.

Help!!!!

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I suggest additional snooping is in order. You say she has a regular night at the dance club every week. Might be a good time to try and find out if she meets anyone there or leaves with anyone.

You have this right for two reasons.

One you are legally married regardless of the fact you are seperated.

Secondly taking the pill is not the same thing as having safe sex. Since you have an interest in your daughter having both a father and a mother you are protecting your daughter as well.

Suggest you use this information to find out more rather than try and confront her.

It is possible birth control pills are being used to control her period. Despite having her tubes tied my wife's ob/gyn put her on the pill to control excessive bleeding and lengthy periods. But that sounds like a stretch in your wife's case given all the other things she is doing.

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Thanks, stunned:

Woke up this morning with an overwhelming sense of loneliness, thinking about yesterday's discoveries. I have to tread very carefully, but your suggestion is a good one. Trouble is, I really have no idea where she goes anymore, as I have the children with me at my "home" for entire weekends. It is the weekends where these "outings" take place; during the week, my wife is at home with the children 24/7 and acts like everything is normal...

</font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial">Originally posted by stunned-dad-fast recovering:
<strong> Shaken

I suggest additional snooping is in order. You say she has a regular night at the dance club every week. Might be a good time to try and find out if she meets anyone there or leaves with anyone.

You have this right for two reasons.

One you are legally married regardless of the fact you are seperated.

Secondly taking the pill is not the same thing as having safe sex. Since you have an interest in your daughter having both a father and a mother you are protecting your daughter as well.

Suggest you use this information to find out more rather than try and confront her.

It is possible birth control pills are being used to control her period. Despite having her tubes tied my wife's ob/gyn put her on the pill to control excessive bleeding and lengthy periods. But that sounds like a stretch in your wife's case given all the other things she is doing. </strong></font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial">

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SBNS: Your wife is showing all the classic signs of an affair. Are you in Plan A? If not, read below. If so, refresh your memory, anyway: </font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial"> You can recover. Many people have. It isn't easy, and not everyone succeeds, but as long as you are both working on it, your chances are close to 100%. If your spouse is NOT willing to work on your marriage, is denying involvement in an affair despite the evidence, and/or is continuing an affair, read What Are Plan A and Plan B? after reading the "Basic Concepts" links below. In that case, you need to start Plan A with the help of a marriage counselor (see item #2, below). There are a couple terrific posts about Plan A that are worth reading at: Plan A, Doormats and Love Busters by Zorweb and Cerri on Plan A, which will help you avoid some of the common pitfalls. Your situation is harder, but your chances of saving your marriage and actually making it better than before are still good. But, whether your spouse is "on board" or not, you should do three things:

1.) Learn. The most important and helpful single source of information for my wife and I was “Surviving an Affair” by Willard Harley (hereinafter referred to as “SAA”) available at the Bookstore, Amazon.com, and bookstores all over. SAA is THE best book on the market for helping one get to the root of “the message of the affair” (BUT YOU HAVE TO DO THE QUESTIONAIRES!). It (along with the Basic Concepts section of this site) is also helpful for giving you a vision of what a great marriage should look like. The approach of SAA to this problem is that the best defense against affairs is to have a great marriage. My wife said we had a good marriage, but she still had an affair. She was kidding herself, but it was not until we read SAA and saw what a great marriage should look like that we could clearly identify the problem areas and had the tools necessary to fix them. So that you can get started right away, while waiting for SAA to arrive in the mail, read everything in the Basic Concepts section of this site. Next, read all the Q&A's on infidelity on this site. They are found at How to Survive Infidelity

The phrase “the message of the affair” is from the book “Torn Asunder”, by Carder (hereinafter referred to as “TA”). I personally think this is the best book on affair recovery we have read. In particular it deals with the two different paths the recovery of the betrayed spouse (BS) and the wayward spouse (WS) need to take, and deals w/ remorse in a way that I prefer to SAA. Read it together, if your spouse is willing. If not, go through it yourself. If you or your spouse has issues with control, you might also want to read “The State of Affairs”, (SOA) by Todd Mulliken, which also treats the remorse issue similarly to TA. SOA also deals with "the vision thing" for marriage, which is neglected in SAA.

2.) See a marriage counselor. This is hard. You need help. These boards are populated by amateurs. MC’s are professionals. There is a difference. They can help deal with issues the books don’t cover, and customize things to your individual situation. That said, there are lots of bad MC’s in the world. Read, and take to heart, How To Find A Good Marriage Counselor. You do not want an MC that is going to teach you how to live with an awful spouse, or how to adjust to divorce. Too many of them do, as is documented here: Hazardous Counseling. Reading that link may scare you off counseling, but it should give you some good ideas to ask a potential MC before you start w/ them, so you can avoid those that give you the wrong answers. You need one that is committed to helping couples have great marriages, and knows how to do that.

You are on an emotional rollercoaster right now, and there will be times that you will think it would be best to just divorce your spouse and go on with your life. Though there are no guarantees, recovery IS possible, but it takes time and effort. You will hate yourself if you don't do everything you can to make that happen. Give yourself the time you need.

3.) I understand that you may not be a person of faith, but for me, getting my spiritual life in order was crucial. As I said, this is hard. I knew I would need all the help I could get. Repenting of the habitual sins in my life let me stop pushing God away so I could hold on for dear life. I had to humble myself and ask Him what I had done wrong, and what I could do to be the husband He wanted me to be for his child, my wife. This was not about blaming myself. It was about doing what I could to do my part in having a great marriage. My wife could participate or not, but I had to know I had done everything I could do. It also helped me to let go of thinking about what SHE needed to do, since I couldn't control her, anyway.

You might also want to read through: WAT's Quick Start Guidelines for Betrayed Spouses, but keep in mind that these are the writings of amateurs. Get the books, read the articles, and see a GOOD counselor - you need the best help you can get.

Of course, that is just my opinions and what worked for me, who experienced it once, first hand. Harley, who has helped HUNDREDS of couples through this process, lays out his program in the following link: How to Survive Infidelity You will find that I mostly followed his plan. It works. </font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial">

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Thanks for the advice, Stunned. I have thought about having someone follow her, but have not followed through yet.

</font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial">Originally posted by stunned-dad-fast recovering:
<strong> Shaken

I suggest additional snooping is in order. You say she has a regular night at the dance club every week. Might be a good time to try and find out if she meets anyone there or leaves with anyone.

You have this right for two reasons.

One you are legally married regardless of the fact you are seperated.

Secondly taking the pill is not the same thing as having safe sex. Since you have an interest in your daughter having both a father and a mother you are protecting your daughter as well.

Suggest you use this information to find out more rather than try and confront her.

It is possible birth control pills are being used to control her period. Despite having her tubes tied my wife's ob/gyn put her on the pill to control excessive bleeding and lengthy periods. But that sounds like a stretch in your wife's case given all the other things she is doing. </strong></font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial">

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How old are you childern? Do you have a daughter? Most women and there daughters take the pill to help calculate there period. Is it possible that you W or DD might be taking it for that reason? I wish that when I had my first period that my mom would have put me on the pill...not cause I was sexually active, just so I would have known when I was going to start each month.

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I have two daughters, both under 8 years, so I can safely rule them out.

Yes, I am hoping there is a logical, non-sexual, reason for the contraceptive use, but I think this is probably wishful thinking on my part <img border="0" alt="[Teary]" title="" src="graemlins/teary.gif" />

I have a friend who is a doctor and she said that if my wife is taking this type of contraceptive for hormonal or other reasons, it is quite a drastic measure, as doctors usually start women off on a simple BC pill, rather than this contraceptive injection. When my wife was on the pill for the first 2 years of our marriage, she found it very disagreeable (bloating and discomfort). Her doctor took her off and we used condoms for a while. This MAY be the reason she is not on the pill, but another type of contraceptive.

I don't have the energy to deal with it anymore. I was talking to a former high school teacher of mine tonight. He knows of my plight and we have always been good friends, though I graduated 23 years ago. He said something that was right on for someone in my situation. He said that, even if my WS is messing around, the chances that she will find a man who wants 4 children are almost nil. Yes, there are many men who want my wife, as she is exceptionally good looking. Yet, I am the best candidate, as I am probably one of the few in this country who strongly desire to live with my wife AND my children. Yes, she can have one or more flings, but they are going to be shallow and will leave her wanting something more.

I needed that pick me up.

Thanks.

</font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial">Originally posted by EDMP:
<strong> How old are you childern? Do you have a daughter? Most women and there daughters take the pill to help calculate there period. Is it possible that you W or DD might be taking it for that reason? I wish that when I had my first period that my mom would have put me on the pill...not cause I was sexually active, just so I would have known when I was going to start each month. </strong></font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial">

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sbns,
here's my take on your sitch. SIT YOUR WIFE DOWN AND TALK TO HER! STRAIT OUT ASK HER WHAT'S GOING ON! i can't say it any plainer then that. anything less, is in my opinion, game playing and wise people don't play games with their marriage.

now here's something else you might want to think about. no matter what she may tell you,
('casue cheaters lie...and lie and lie...) SPY, SPY, SPY!

i've been where you are and let me tell you, when there is a question of faithfulness involved you have every right to invade her privacy utill you're satisfied that her answers are truthful and above board.

i would bug the telephone, (radio shack equipment...very cheap and simple to install.) spy ware on the home computer. check out her draws her and her handbags, (the one's she's not using). check out her closet, shelves and draws. check out the cell phone bill, credit card bills and home telephone bills. watch and look for anything that is out of place or suspect. believe me, if something is not right you will see it...especially now that you're looking!

good luck and i truy hope that you're wrong!

coach


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