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I found out a week ago that my wife is seeing an old friend. I know she is still seeing him.
She says she does not love me anymore.
I have read through the Basics and I have learned tons that will help me in all aspects of life. (Thanks Harley)
We have decided to go our own separate ways, but we are still living in the same house for the timing being until its' sold. I thought I'd take this time to make love deposits when possible.
I'm hurting - Should I bother to make the effort or just leave and not hang around til the house closes.

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You can start in Plan A. Read all about it here. And if he is married, have you let his wife know? You are very new to this and will be miserable at first, but stick with MB plan and things will get better.

If you do some reading here, you will see that they all act the same. After 15 years of marriage suddenly she wants to leave. She is in what we call the fog. Try to do Plan A for several months.

Keep reading and posting here and we will help you through this awful time. Also you might want to get some meds from doctor to help you maintain while all of this is going on.

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I, too, would suggest Plan A. I have a strong bias to save marriages, not discard them. Here's the "How To": </font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial"> You can recover. Many people have. It isn't easy, and not everyone succeeds, but as long as you are both working on it, your chances are close to 100%. If your spouse is NOT willing to work on your marriage, is denying involvement in an affair despite the evidence, and/or is continuing an affair, read What Are Plan A and Plan B? after reading the "Basic Concepts" links below. In that case, you need to start Plan A with the help of a marriage counselor (see item #2, below). There are a couple terrific posts about Plan A that are worth reading at: Plan A, Doormats and Love Busters by Zorweb and Cerri on Plan A, which will help you avoid some of the common pitfalls. Your situation is harder, but your chances of saving your marriage and actually making it better than before are still good. But, whether your spouse is "on board" or not, you should do three things:

1.) Learn. The most important and helpful single source of information for my wife and I was “Surviving an Affair” by Willard Harley (hereinafter referred to as “SAA”) available at the Bookstore, Amazon.com, and bookstores all over. SAA is THE best book on the market for helping one get to the root of “the message of the affair” (BUT YOU HAVE TO DO THE QUESTIONAIRES!). It (along with the Basic Concepts section of this site) is also helpful for giving you a vision of what a great marriage should look like. The approach of SAA to this problem is that the best defense against affairs is to have a great marriage. My wife said we had a good marriage, but she still had an affair. She was kidding herself, but it was not until we read SAA and saw what a great marriage should look like that we could clearly identify the problem areas and had the tools necessary to fix them. So that you can get started right away, while waiting for SAA to arrive in the mail, read everything in the Basic Concepts section of this site. Next, read all the Q&A's on infidelity on this site. They are found at How to Survive Infidelity

The phrase “the message of the affair” is from the book “Torn Asunder”, by Carder (hereinafter referred to as “TA”). I personally think this is the best book on affair recovery we have read. In particular it deals with the two different paths the recovery of the betrayed spouse (BS) and the wayward spouse (WS) need to take, and deals w/ remorse in a way that I prefer to SAA. Read it together, if your spouse is willing. If not, go through it yourself. If you or your spouse has issues with control, you might also want to read “The State of Affairs”, (SOA) by Todd Mulliken, which also treats the remorse issue similarly to TA. SOA also deals with "the vision thing" for marriage, which is neglected in SAA.

2.) See a marriage counselor. This is hard. You need help. These boards are populated by amateurs. MC’s are professionals. There is a difference. They can help deal with issues the books don’t cover, and customize things to your individual situation. That said, there are lots of bad MC’s in the world. Read, and take to heart, How To Find A Good Marriage Counselor. You do not want an MC that is going to teach you how to live with an awful spouse, or how to adjust to divorce. Too many of them do, as is documented here: Hazardous Counseling. Reading that link may scare you off counseling, but it should give you some good ideas to ask a potential MC before you start w/ them, so you can avoid those that give you the wrong answers. You need one that is committed to helping couples have great marriages, and knows how to do that.

You are on an emotional rollercoaster right now, and there will be times that you will think it would be best to just divorce your spouse and go on with your life. Though there are no guarantees, recovery IS possible, but it takes time and effort. You will hate yourself if you don't do everything you can to make that happen. Give yourself the time you need.

3.) I understand that you may not be a person of faith, but for me, getting my spiritual life in order was crucial. As I said, this is hard. I knew I would need all the help I could get. Repenting of the habitual sins in my life let me stop pushing God away so I could hold on for dear life. I had to humble myself and ask Him what I had done wrong, and what I could do to be the husband He wanted me to be for his child, my wife. This was not about blaming myself. It was about doing what I could to do my part in having a great marriage. My wife could participate or not, but I had to know I had done everything I could do. It also helped me to let go of thinking about what SHE needed to do, since I couldn't control her, anyway.

You might also want to read through: WAT's Quick Start Guidelines for Betrayed Spouses, but keep in mind that these are the writings of amateurs. Get the books, read the articles, and see a GOOD counselor - you need the best help you can get.

Of course, that is just my opinions and what worked for me, who experienced it once, first hand. Harley, who has helped HUNDREDS of couples through this process, lays out his program in the following link: How to Survive Infidelity You will find that I mostly followed his plan. It works. </font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial">

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Yes I'm going through the readings.. I'm learning alot about myself and it's getting me through this. Communication is getting easier because it's so open, true and I'm in love.
Do you think it's agood idea to express my feelings to her friends and family, because this is the stage she wants to move on to next.

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Stay with Plan A. Yes, you should explain your feelings to family. Tell them that you love your wife, and don't want divorce.

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It's about 2 weeks now and I'm on PLan A. I'm not sure how long I can go one with this Plan. I'm hurting.
Real Estate agent is dropping by this weekend to check out the house.
Do you see this as the marriage is at its' end
Nothing seems logically everything is upside down.
My wife wants leave our relationship to explore one with another married man, who has 3 children and his wife is not working. His wife knows about the affair as well and are seeking separation.
MY wife has told me in the past that she is totally content with her one daughter and not interested in having more children.
If she continues on this path she'll have to deal with the other man's children and the financial worries obviously his wife is going to put them through. It just doesn't make sense.
Maybe Plan B is around the corner
Please help.

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One other question
- I am concerned that she's spending too much money.
Should I approach her about this and ask to separate our accounts while i'm in A. Or will this be seen as an LB.
If so how do I approach it a nice way.

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Discussing reality is not an LB, as long as you do it respectfully. In many states, you can get a legal separation, that stipulates how you are going to deal with money issues while apart, as well as visitation, etc.

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It's about 2 weeks now and I'm on PLan A. I'm not sure how long I can go one with this Plan. I'm hurting.
Real Estate agent is dropping by this weekend to check out the house.
Do you see this as the marriage is at its' end
Nothing seems logically everything is upside down.
My wife wants leave our relationship to explore one with another married man, who has 3 children and his wife is not working. His wife knows about the affair as well and are seeking separation.
MY wife has told me in the past that she is totally content with her one daughter and not interested in having more children.
If she continues on this path she'll have to deal with the other man's children and the financial worries obviously his wife is going to put them through. It just doesn't make sense.
Maybe Plan B is around the corner
Please help.


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