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#446650 04/14/04 08:26 AM
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Hi all,

Further to my post 'After Affair' earlier this week I (BS) cry (literally) all the time when I'm thinking of the situation that I'm in.

Quick background: Found our about 2 months ago my W is having an A (still ongoing) with OM.

Question is do I show my emotions in front of her or should I refrain from doing so. i.e. cry inside. I used to express very little emotion in the past - hardly show my feelings. This is probably the reason why my W is having this A. Since my awareness of the A something has unlocked inside of me and can't help myself from showing emotion and this is what I wanted my WS to see - that I have changed and do have feelings.

Your thoughts?

Thanks,
Alex

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Hi Alexvan,
I feel for you , my w has been having an A for over 2 years now and I just recently found out the truth by investigating....
I would not cry infront of her if you can help it, it's hard due to the pain she is causing but try.....
their is nothing wrong showing your feelings but dont smuther her, give her space....
I my sit. my w is having 2 a at the same time which is really killing me.....and this is also hurting my Children.....

Stay strong my friend...
Deeppain...

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I'm no expert but it would seem to me that you should show or not show what feels right to you. A trap I fell in for a long time was doing things to get a specific reaction from my WW. When she didn't react the way I wanted it hurt and angered me. To the best of my ability I have stopped this and it has been a great relief to me and I'm sure her as well. I say if it makes YOU feel better to let it out then let it out but do it for yourself.

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Yes, show your emotions, BUT, be very careful about how you display anger. DO NOT LOVE BUST!! Show her the pain, frustration and fear behind the anger, but control your anger so you do not hurt her with it. Show her your pain, but don't intentionally inflict pain on her in your anger.

Beyond that: </font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial"> You can recover. Many people have. It isn't easy, and not everyone succeeds, but as long as you are both working on it, your chances are close to 100%. If your spouse is NOT willing to work on your marriage, is denying involvement in an affair despite the evidence, and/or is continuing an affair, read What Are Plan A and Plan B? after reading the "Basic Concepts" links below. In that case, you need to start Plan A with the help of a marriage counselor (see item #2, below). There are a couple terrific posts about Plan A that are worth reading at: Plan A, Doormats and Love Busters by Zorweb and Cerri on Plan A, which will help you avoid some of the common pitfalls. Your situation is harder, but your chances of saving your marriage and actually making it better than before are still good. But, whether your spouse is "on board" or not, you should do three things:

1.) Learn. The most important and helpful single source of information for my wife and I was “Surviving an Affair” by Willard Harley (hereinafter referred to as “SAA”) available at the Bookstore, Amazon.com, and bookstores all over. SAA is THE best book on the market for helping one get to the root of “the message of the affair” (BUT YOU HAVE TO DO THE QUESTIONAIRES!). It (along with the Basic Concepts section of this site) is also helpful for giving you a vision of what a great marriage should look like. The approach of SAA to this problem is that the best defense against affairs is to have a great marriage. My wife said we had a good marriage, but she still had an affair. She was kidding herself, but it was not until we read SAA and saw what a great marriage should look like that we could clearly identify the problem areas and had the tools necessary to fix them. So that you can get started right away, while waiting for SAA to arrive in the mail, read everything in the Basic Concepts section of this site. Next, read all the Q&A's on infidelity on this site. They are found at How to Survive Infidelity

The phrase “the message of the affair” is from the book “Torn Asunder”, by Carder (hereinafter referred to as “TA”). I personally think this is the best book on affair recovery we have read. In particular it deals with the two different paths the recovery of the betrayed spouse (BS) and the wayward spouse (WS) need to take, and deals w/ remorse in a way that I prefer to SAA. Read it together, if your spouse is willing. If not, go through it yourself. If you or your spouse has issues with control, you might also want to read “The State of Affairs”, (SOA) by Todd Mulliken, which also treats the remorse issue similarly to TA. SOA also deals with "the vision thing" for marriage, which is neglected in SAA.

2.) See a marriage counselor. This is hard. You need help. These boards are populated by amateurs. MC’s are professionals. There is a difference. They can help deal with issues the books don’t cover, and customize things to your individual situation. That said, there are lots of bad MC’s in the world. Read, and take to heart, How To Find A Good Marriage Counselor. You do not want an MC that is going to teach you how to live with an awful spouse, or how to adjust to divorce. Too many of them do, as is documented here: Hazardous Counseling. Reading that link may scare you off counseling, but it should give you some good ideas to ask a potential MC before you start w/ them, so you can avoid those that give you the wrong answers. You need one that is committed to helping couples have great marriages, and knows how to do that.

You are on an emotional rollercoaster right now, and there will be times that you will think it would be best to just divorce your spouse and go on with your life. Though there are no guarantees, recovery IS possible, but it takes time and effort. You will hate yourself if you don't do everything you can to make that happen. Give yourself the time you need.

3.) I understand that you may not be a person of faith, but for me, getting my spiritual life in order was crucial. As I said, this is hard. I knew I would need all the help I could get. Repenting of the habitual sins in my life let me stop pushing God away so I could hold on for dear life. I had to humble myself and ask Him what I had done wrong, and what I could do to be the husband He wanted me to be for his child, my wife. This was not about blaming myself. It was about doing what I could to do my part in having a great marriage. My wife could participate or not, but I had to know I had done everything I could do. It also helped me to let go of thinking about what SHE needed to do, since I couldn't control her, anyway.

You might also want to read through: WAT's Quick Start Guidelines for Betrayed Spouses, but keep in mind that these are the writings of amateurs. Get the books, read the articles, and see a GOOD counselor - you need the best help you can get.

Of course, that is just my opinions and what worked for me, who experienced it once, first hand. Harley, who has helped HUNDREDS of couples through this process, lays out his program in the following link: How to Survive Infidelity You will find that I mostly followed his plan. It works. </font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial">

<small>[ April 14, 2004, 03:52 PM: Message edited by: johnh39 ]</small>

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AlexVan,
Wanted to let you know that you're not alone. I had never cried in front of my W. Heck I hadn't cried since I was 8 and the slide in our back yard fell over and knocjed my two front teeth out!

In my sit. I didn't cry constantly but I did on at least 3 or 4 occassions. Especially the night I confronted her. I think I started by asking her if she "knew of a good psychologist because I think I'm going crazy" after discovering the truth of her relationship. You should have seen the look on her face.

Anyway....as I said I didn't cry all the time but I was anxious and jumpy the entire discovery time period. After discovery fell into a depressed state with melancholy interspersed with angry outbursts aka Love Busters.

IMHO, as John39 said I would let her know that it hurts so that she knows you care and want to save the M. As far as crying in front of her, I'd try to avoid for several reasons.

Since the Affair is ongoing you should be in Plan A ie be the best you can be as a spouse, parent, co-worker and just as an individual. The purpose is to show the WS that they can return to the M and to show the BS as being desirable. Some MBers mix in the 180* philosophy or the old reverse psychology.

Plan A also includes meeting her needs as well as you're able under your specific situation. If you start meeting the same needs that the OM was meeting, she may realize that she doesn't need him. This combined with the more desirable spouse should create results.

These results can occur slowly or quickly. Usually if the OM starts making demands and LBing the end of the A progresses more quickly.

What needs were you not fulfilling?

Is the OM married? If so tell his W. That one act will end an affair in most cases. I just read a great book about why women have affairs but it also talked about most male's reasons for their affairs and contrasted the differences between the two. Very few men having affairs have any intention of leaving their wives. They don't go into affairs because their marriage is ending. Women are the opposite. Most go into affairs loking for a replacemant and most feel that their marriages are over. That's one way that women rationalize the Affair. The book is "Tempted Women" by Carol Botwin.

For your situation ie co-worker EA (possibly PA) I think Shirley Glass' "Not Just Friends" is a must read.

Are you on anti-depressants? I ignored the advice of the MB oldtimers who suggested I see a doctor. I am now currently on them and they have made a world of difference.

How much do you drink? My experience is that right after DDay I'd get upset regardless of whether I had had anything to drink. I will say however that my reaction to the pain was much worse and intense after even just two glasses of wine. The proverbial "gasoline on a fire." If you can stop drinking during this turmultuous time period I'd really suggest it. Doesn't mean you're an alcoholic just means the alcohol does affect the response to the emotions. Alcohol also counterweighs the posative effects of the AD's.

Keep trying.

cwmac

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Chin up, it will get better. Most of us started out miserable like you, but after awhile, you will start enjoying life again. Stick with us and keep on posting. It really helps.


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