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#449316 07/20/04 05:40 PM
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My husband and I have been away from each other for a period of about 8 months. He joined the military and was away at basic then moved to his first duty station. During that time we only saw each other for brief periods of time. We have been married for 14 years. During the first 9 years he cheated on me with numerous affairs. During his time away I also cheated on our marriage with 1 affair. We are really struggling to work through this because evidently I just kind of numbed out his infidelity instead of trying to deal with it. Now that he is dealing with his emotions over my affair, it is bringing all of my undealt with emotions to surface over his affairs. Trust is a major issue that we are trying to work through right now. He wants to check up on every little step I make and I in turn want to start fresh with the whole trust issue. Where is the happy medium? Is it healthy for him to be checking every step I make and know all my passwords to accounts to check up on things or is that overstepping personal boundaries? What are some things we can do to rebuild that trust without putting the other's "hackles" up?

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Welcome to marriagebuilders. It is a good place to be. You might try posting on general questions as there is more traffic there.

You probably won't like this answer, but each of you need to be an open book to each other, until trust is regained. Marriage Builders has lots of information on rebuilding a great marriage, so stick with us.

#449318 07/20/04 07:50 PM
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Yep, I have to second Believer's response. You BOTH have to be more honest than you've ever been before. No secrets. No hidden bank accounts. No security codes on your computer, voice mail, or cell phones. Give eachother full access to everything. Answer all questions. Be accountable for your time. Afterall, if you have nothing to hide, this really shouldn't matter anyway, should it?

IMO, it's too stressful keeping secrets. In time with the right groundwork, you will learn to trust again, but you have to be trustworthy too.

Find out what was missing that caused you both to stray. Get the books Surviving an Affair (SAA) and His Needs/Her Needs (HNHN) from the bookstore on this website. You both need to fill out the Emotional Needs Questionnaire that can be found on the main website. You may be surprised what the other spouse finds important.

Keep posting. Perhaps move to General Questions. Lots more traffic there.

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The trust issue comes up a lot, and the answer does not change, so, I'll just quote an excerpt from something I wrote about a year after my wife told me about her affair:
</font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial"> …I knew that people who get divorced once are likely to get divorced again, and usually for the same reasons, and I did not want to find myself in the same place some years down the road. But, I was not sure I could overcome the pain, I had no idea how to re-establish trust, I frankly didn’t know if I could forgive her, and I had no desire at all to go back to the way things were, because frankly they were pretty miserable (even pre-A) for me

So, the first thing I did was go to God and repent of a couple of habitual “minor” (in my eyes) sins, so there would be nothing between God and I that would get in the way of our communication. I spent many hours in prayer asking God to show me my sin. I think at some level I thought the A was my fault. While I no longer think that, that time of humbling myself before God was really crucial to our recovery. Because, I HAD sinned, and had gotten so distant from God that I was unaware of many of my sins, so He did show me. As I agonized over what my wife did to me, it became clear that I had done almost identical things to God. That helped keep me from self-righteousness and arrogance which are poison to any recovery. Also, if I expected Him to forgive me, I had to forgive her. That got me a long way down the forgiveness road, but forgiveness and reconciliation are two separate things. The pain and trust issues remained barriers to reconciliation. It turns out the pain fades with time, if the actions that produced it are not repeated. That leaves trust, and trusting that the actions will not be repeated, as the sole barrier to reconciliation.

As far as I can discern there is really only one approach to re-establishing trust, and a couple of well-established ways to get there. In both cases, the bottom line is: believe their actions, not their words, at least until you have seen a consistent pattern of their words and actions being aligned for a period of many months. That necessarily means you have to be more involved in their lives so that you have the ability to verify that their actions and words are cohesive.

The path to get there, according to Willard Harley, is to have no secrets from each other, and to use the Policy of Joint Agreement (POJA) in all your decisions. Once you see your spouse consistently use the POJA, and the two of you have learned to understand each other and communicate with each other well enough to implement it, you will trust them when they are out of sight, too. Perhaps ironically, one thing that will convince you of your spouse's honesty is if they tell you things they know will hurt, instead of lying or keeping silent to "protect" you. So this process will likely not be painless, especially since, if you are like most couples, it will require learning a new way to communicate. Change is hard.

A second path, promoted by Carder in “Torn Asunder” (and the younger Harleys, too, I think), is for the WS to really dig in to the "WHY?" of the affair, and in gaining that self-understanding, communicate to you both why it happened, and how they will change their behavior in ways that you can verify and that will prevent them from having another.

Of course, these two paths are not mutually exclusive. I view them as complementary, and think “Surviving an Affair”, by Harley is extremely helpful in figuring out important parts of the why, at least as far as the answer involves unmet Emotional Needs, and it almost always does, especially for a woman who has an affair.

The fallacy is the belief that unmet EN’s “cause” affairs. If that was the case, I would have had the affair, not my wife, because my EN’s were less well met in our marriage than hers.

Unmet EN's do not cause affairs, they cause lousy marriages. If you read Harley thoroughly and carefully, he does not say unmet EN's cause affairs, either, though it is a so common a misconception among his readers that I would say he should do some re-writing of his material. Reading SAA, it can be easy to conclude that unmet needs are the reason for affairs. Not so. Affairs are entirely the responsibility of those involved, and the reasons vary.

Our MC worked w/ Bill Harley for 8 years, and according to him, in about 80% of MEN'S affairs unmet EN's had very little to do with it. Yes, there were usually unmet EN's in their marriages, because no marriage is perfect. But, having the wife find out about and meet his most important EN's did not stop the affairs from re-kindling or stop the husband from having another. Harley is aware of this, which is why his plan for recovery is a lot more complicated than: 1.) Take the EN questionnaire. 2.) Meet your spouse’s EN's. Our MC said that in his opinion, for that 80%, if the wife had been meeting the husband's top 5 EN's PERFECTLY, the husband still would have had the affair. If you want to learn more, read "The State of Affairs", by Todd Mulliken particularly the chapter on "The Double Life Man". Though the percentage of women who have this type of affair is small, it is not zero. </font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial">Click on the link in my signature line for more info on how to recover.


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