I just want a general idea if it's me or if everyone senses that nobody obeys boundaries or loyalties any longer? Did someone put something in the drinking water? or is it the influence of television and movies? Is the problem women in general? What do you think?

With women in general? What are you saying? Where are you going with this? Can you tell more so I can have a clue to what you are writing about?

Thanks
Ali~

television, movies, and songs can and will influence people. Along with friends, co-workers, and family.

IMO, yeppers, the women are the problem in general. Not in all cases though. With the women in power,,, look out marriages.
Years ago, it was always the men. Maybe the women want to find out what they missed.

Marriage is no longer what it used to be,, it's almost like the thought of buying a starter home. Lets try a starter marriage, when the squeaks begin, lets trade 'em in.

<small>[ November 01, 2004, 05:41 PM: Message edited by: Stephan ]</small>

I am totally confused here. I went and read jw2 other post.
Back in the days, women were hush hush. Never complained about problems in the marriage. It was never mentioned about family problems. You just didn't go there. Infidelity has been going on since the dawn of time. Women are just more independent nowadays.
It takes two to have an A.

I agree it takes two to have an affair. But just from listening to women, I am 51, it seems things have changed. Used to be women wouldn't think of being with a man, especially a married man, or having one night stands or but now I hear women openly boast about how they don't care they just want a man. Infidelity to me is a mystery. I just think you have to put effort into it. It just doesnt happen. I mean you can't accidentally have an affair.

OK! This is a dumb way of proving this. But look at the movie Gone with The Wind! Street Car named Desire! Scarlet lusting over Ashley who happened to be married. But he should be a role model. The tramps Rhett Butler was hanging around. Good old Blanche from street car! I think Casblanca Too!
And thoses were only Hollywood screen plays. Remember prositution is the first profession in the world! ONS?
I think fidelity lies with each person. There are some who can do it and there are those who don't. Sometimes I think of it as wanting something you can't have. Or the thrill of being sneaky. Or there are those with such low self esteem problem, that they become inconsiderate to others and put themselves first. So that when a stalking evil horny tramp comes along, they think it is well justfied! It is just not the women. Yes, times have changed. Back in the 50's, the word pregant was a noo noo. In the show, I love Lucy, Ricky and Lucy slept in two different beds to nowadays you are almost seeing full frontal nudity on TV.
So what I am saying is that this society has become more open and women are not looked down upon for being assertive. I wonder if they have chasity belts for men? <img border="0" title="" alt="[Big Grin]" src="images/icons/grin.gif" /> <img border="0" title="" alt="[Embarrassed]" src="images/icons/blush.gif" />

Ali~

Whoops! Accidently having an affair is like I made a mistake! Wrong, wrong and wrong! A mistake is forgetting to record an item in the check book.
An accident is falling down the stairs! "Oh gee honey, my penis accidently got erected and I somehow was having intercourse with some women at work!" ROTHLMAO ! Sorry! But lame excuse to all those who say that!

Ali! <img border="0" title="" alt="[Big Grin]" src="images/icons/grin.gif" />

I think some peoople are just numb unless they had the extra jolt of titilation. Some people love skydiving, or swimming in shark tanks. There are some who don't feel alive or like they are haivng fun unless it involves the opposite sex in a prohibited way. Then there's the mental health issue. There is a lot of mental illness that first becomes obvious when you notice that a person lacks basic life skills and boundaries. I've had two friends with Bipolar disorder, both females, who describe wild sexual appetites and the inability to be monogamous. I am sure that it isn't the disease, but a symptom of the mania that drives this passion, so to speak.