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Hi.
I am 38 and have been living with my "significant other" who is 44 for 18 1/2 years. We went out for one year prior to moving in together. I don't even know where to begin. We have always been each others best friend. We spend all of our leisure time together (golfing etc.). He has always been the most honest person I know. He has always been very thoughful, although he does have a short temper that I have become used to over the years. We do not have any children (unless 3 dogs count). We built our dream house 10.5 years ago and are only 6 years from having our 15 acers of paradise paid off. Things were really good I thought.
Well, we started to spend time with a couple that were friends of mutual friends. They are much younger than us. She is 24 and he is 27. We first met them two years ago. The guys like to golf or watch sports and we keep them company. This past summer all "B" wanted to do was spend time with them. He wanted to do stuff with them every weekend and on all of our vacation days. He seemed distant, which had never been the case in the past. I would ask what was wrong and he would get upset and say "nothing!".
Well, the other couple was over one evening and left and B was in a bad mood and I asked what the problem was. He said why do you always have to follow me around, why can't you let me spend any time alone with her. I said, wow, why would you need time alone with her? Well, he had been drinking and said, because I love her. And she feels the same way about me! <img border="0" title="" alt="[Eek!]" src="images/icons/shocked.gif" /> Can you imagine??? I was in total shock!
I have lived with and loved this man my entire life, never loved or slept with anyone else... and he tells me this about someone 20 years younger than him! Someone who has pretended to be my friend. My God!
This girl and I are so TOTALLY different. I have only been with him. She has had sex since she was 12.... I go to work, she works part time and calls in sick all the time (I have not called in sick to my job in the 16 years I have worked there), she is short, I am tall, she has a child (not from her current hubby), we dont have kids and B does not want them. I just DONT GET IT!
Once, I found this out I went and talked to her - she said she could not help how she felt, but would stop contact with us if that is what I wanted. I said yes, we need to fix us. Please stay away from him and dont call, dont accept his calls etc. She agreed. When I got home from this talk he was on the phone with her. She had called as soon as I left. They talked for two hours with him glaring at me and me crying. He got off the phone and said - we need to sell because I cant live with you anymore. I love her and have fun with her, I dont have fun with you anymore. I begged and said no, we can work this out. He said no. I finally said fine, went inside and packed and went to leave. Then he freaked out crying - No, you cant leave me. Please dont leave me. Threatened suicide if I left, hid my keys, my suitcase etc. I stayed.
We talked several times and he said he loves her and could not give her up. I brought home MB stuff, tried plan A, did everything. Nope. Per the cell phone bills they were talking 20x per day!
I came home one day and had a bad feeling... I was supposed to go out with realtives for dinner that night (while B was at work - he works nights and I work days) and called and cancelled. I knew something had happened in my home.... I dont know why, just little things seemed different. The note I leave every morning for him was gone. He usually leaves it out. Little things like that. I knew she had been over. I questioned him and he admitted it. She had been over and slept with him in my bed. <img border="0" alt="[Teary]" title="" src="graemlins/teary.gif" />
I said you need to make a decision. He said, I cant. I kept up with Plan A and said you have to decide. I met with priest, prayed, journaled, but told nobody, because I did not want my family to hate him. My family loves him like one of the family. I wanted him to wake up and be who he used to be, before anyone found out and everything was changed. I said we need to talk, he said NO. Because I pressed him, he said fine, if I have to choose, I choose her. <img border="0" title="" alt="[Frown]" src="images/icons/frown.gif" />
I went out of state for work trip. We got back a day early. I went home and thought I would surprise B, nope, I was surprised. His "girlfriend" and a friend of hers were at my house partying with him. She told me she could have him if she wanted, and she wanted. I left. Went to brothers, who in turn told parents. BIG mess.... Stayed at brothers house. B called and said he and she would stop seeing each other. Come home. Went home next day. He would not talk to me for an entire week. I finally asked why, he said if you wont let me talk to her, I will do the same to you and see how you like it.
Fast forward, house up for sale, I am cleaning get it ready to show. We are getting along but he has bi-polar episodes. I love you, I feel so bad hurting you. Why are you making me choose and Why cant I just see her sometimes on the side to - I cant believe you are making me loose my house I have worked so hard for. You cant ahve all the stuff, I will fight you tooth and nail etc.....
He leaves for the weekend and spends it with her in a hotel. Tells me he is going out with her prior to going, but does not say overnight. I am up all night worrying about him. Gets home the next days at noon and asks whats up... why arent you talking to me? I say did you have fun? He says he feels bad, but they needed time alone together. Although he previously told me they would never live together - after this weekend together he says they will live together with her kid. And he DOES NOT even LIKE kids!
We still talk like the best friends we always were... he says he felt wierd getting the hotel room. He said they looked out at her like she was WAY too young ( well, wes, she is young enough to be your daughther....). I am dealing with all this fine as I figure once he decides to leave me at home and go to a hotel with her, it is pretty much over. I just want us to stay friends and remember all the good years. I tell him to figure out the stuff he wants from the house and I will let him know if I have a problem with any of it. I am trying to be generous and just move on. I still love him and dont want all our memories of our time together to be lost with a bad ending.
I move out tons of my personal stuff to parents. Open own checking account, cancel joint accounts, start planning for my future. Keep showing the house.
He keeps saying all the time so sorry - he love me, but I am making him choose and she is not.
He says he needs to help her with divorce papers. I say she can come her and I will leave. You cant fill those out parked on a back road somewhere. He says please do go, you two were friends. He tells her she will have to get along with me because I am his best friend and always will be. She comes over and I help her with paperwork.
All seems SO surreal to me. This CANT be my life, can it?
We both are in house because neither can afford it alone. I dont want to leave and pay mortgage for him and her to be in my house I worked my [censored] off for (two FT jobs for several years).
I go to visit friend out of state for a week. B calls every day even though I said not to. (I did like to hear his voice though.... I really missed him). Had fun with girlfriend, read a LOT tried to look to the future. B picked me up at the airport. It was SO nice to see him. Had movies and a dinner ready at home. Says how much he missed me. I am thinking he wants to work things out.
Found out next week that while I was gone he told people he was leaving me for her. 5 close friends. All were shocked as thought we were the "perfect" couple. All told him he is an idiot. So I guess he did not want to stay together as I had thought.
One week later (Thanksgiving week) he says lets not sell (after we had gotten full price offer in a bad real estate market!). I ask why. He says I don't want to talk about it. I say sorry, I cant do the girlfriend thing. He says we wont see each other anymore. I ask why? Why now?? He said he cant talk about it. I say need to talk about it. He says no. I ask how I know it will not happen again. He said because I would kill myself before going through all this again. He finally says idea to split was mutual.
I go talk to her, she says she told him she is young and would want more kids, he says he does not. She thought about it and decided her husbands kid and her kid needed her to be with husband. He found out about affair, said no problem. I will go to counceling if you want to to fix us, I will never bring up the affair, I forgive you totally. Funny, she was the one having the A and he is the one willing to make ALL the changes with her doing nothing.
So, here is the question (finally eh?). Why do I stay with someone who would have left me if the OW had not changed her mind? He says give it time and we will get back to normal. I try to just do plan A and not pressure him ... but I was so close to this whole different life, I am still in a daze.
I get so mad sometimes that he threw it all away... is he only with me now because she changed HER mind. Is he only with be because he would loose our house, because of my $? I make 2x what he does -
He was willing to give up our house, early retirement we had planned for him (saving retirement $ is very important to me... while all this going on e cashed his in for new vehicle, $ to do stuff with her etc.), EVERYTHING, for her.
He has been trying to be extra nice. But sometimes he is sad I can tell, and I ask him about it and he says he cant talk about it. I know it is because he lost her. How come I care? How come I don't love him less? I always figured God put me here to take care of B because he came from broken home. I figured God wanted us to ge together so B would know that no matter what somebody loved him more than anyone or anything in the world. Maybe that is the problem. I never say no to him. Ever. Never once said no to sex (in 19 years!), he makes majority of decisions on spending $, we always do his recreational activities. Maybe it is because I am so wanting to please him I have enabled all of this.
I dont know what to do. No contact is still ongoing per cell phone records etc. He has been totally honest with me I believe (other than not willing to talk about the A or then ending of it other than to say mutual even though I told him she said it was her idea). I just am wondering about me. What would be the reason to stay with someone who loves you, but is obviously "in love" with someone else?
I know we are not married, but I feel like we are after all this time. My parents and family are going to have a hard time getting past this. We did stuff with them ALL THE TIME. Now they cant talk....he is embarassed and says give it time (they know everything other than the fact that it was her idea to split - I told them it was mutual) and they are mad at him for hurting me and think I am stupid for letting him back in. They think it is because of the $.
Any thoughts or advice at ALL would be SO appreciated!
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Hi LibbyAnn,
Welcome to this forum, but so sorry that pain has brought you here. <img border="0" title="" alt="[Frown]" src="images/icons/frown.gif" />
Your question is "why?" and the truth is....I don't know...but I do know some general reasons that people stay with folks that hurt them...and any or some of them may apply to you:
*poor self esteem
*inability to defend good boundaries
*huge emotional investment over time
*historical connections involving extended family and past experience
*fear
*finances
*pride
*children/pets
*habit
*rescuer mentality
*stupidity
*poor coping skills
*FOO issues
*desensitization to abuse
Are you seeing a counselor chere? I think it's important for you to sort this stuff out. Your marriage may survive this affair only to fail to recover. Your H is still likely in withdrawal....and suffering from a pretty severe MLC....he's likely to get very depressed. Will he consider counseling?
hugs!! Keep posting and filling in the blanks.
Blessings to you!
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Star*fish,
Thanks for responding to my LONG post.
*poor self esteem Yes, not in high school or when I first moved in, but have become insecure over the years. _______________
*inability to defend good boundaries YES. Want to do anything to make him feel happy. ________________
*huge emotional investment over time Yes, 20 years of being my sole purpose is a huge investment. ________________
*historical connections involving extended family and past experience Yes, again 20 years of him being a part of my family and like my fathers second son. ________________ *fear Yes. I think I am scared to be alone. I feel strong, but then in a flip of a coin feel alone and scared when I think about life without him. ________________ *finances No. I would actually be much better off financially without him. I make twice as much and am a much more responsible spender than he is. _________________ *pride Yes and No. Hate to fail as I always thought that we were the "special" ones and this could NEVER happen to us. He always said how awful it was when people had affairs and did not understand how they could do that to someone they were supposed to love. _________________ *children/pets No. Would hate to leave my dogs, but would be willing to do it to have some sanity _________________
*habit Yes. Again.... 20 years is a long time. I dont actually know who I would be without B. I was trying to figure that out when he changed his mind (or I should say the OW changed hers) and he wanted to "try" - I put quotes on that as I am not sure what he is really doing to try other than trying to be a bit more thoughtful.... but no extra special acts to make me feel special... no begging for forgiveness... nothing like that ___________________ *rescuer mentality Yup, always thought I was placed on earth to make B know just how special he is and that someone loves him more than anything and no matter what (harder said than done <img border="0" title="" alt="[Frown]" src="images/icons/frown.gif" /> ). ___________________ *stupidity Well, this is certainly what my parents think... and what I think sometimes too... ___________________ *poor coping skills I don;t htink this is my problem... but maybe it is unknown to me. ___________________ *FOO issues Not sure what FOO is.... so dont know about this one.. ____________________ *desensitization to abuse Maybe yes from his angry outbursts over all these years and his cup half empty attitude... maybe yes. ____________________ Are you seeing a counselor chere? No, I didnt know that was an option.
____________________ I think it's important for you to sort this stuff out. Your marriage may survive this affair only to fail to recover. That is what I am worried about too! ____________________ Your H is still likely in withdrawal....and suffering from a pretty severe MLC....he's likely to get very depressed. Yes I agree. MLC! He is working out more, dying his hair, tanning, bought new truck, etc. Although he has always been fit and very attractive to me be is going overboard now. Mr. 6 pack abs... ______________________ Will he consider counseling? NO - actually not too happy I talked to priest, but I said I had to talk to someone.... ________________________
hugs!! Keep posting and filling in the blanks.
Blessings to you!
THANK YOU SO SO SO MUCH. I just helps to know that someone is listening. I really felt like I was the only person who has ever gone through this stuff. I want us to work it out, but when I think about them I don't know if I can ever forgive him. He wont do counseling, MB worksheets, tells me to stop journaling and just try to be happy.... I dont know. I know he is trying to be more cheerful around me, but that does not seem like enough after all he has put me (and my family) through.
Thank you again for listening.....
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</font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial">Originally posted by LibbyAnn: <strong>I know he is trying to be more cheerful around me, but that does not seem like enough after all he has put me (and my family) through. </strong></font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial">LibbyAnn,
It is not enough. See my sig line. This could be you in a matter of time.
Your WH has to be willing to lay it all on the line (I'll refer to him as your "husband" because in most states you are considered married by common law). He has to talk about anything you want to talk about. He has to give you details of the affair, if that is what you want. He has to go to individual counseling and marital counseling, if that is what you want.
The affair was all about him. Now the healing is all about YOU. Yes, he has to go through withdrawal and one day he will likely wake up to the stupid thing he has done and all that he very nearly lost. He'll be sad and mopey for now, though, and it will drive you crazy, but he just might return to the man you fell in love with.
Problem is, you are indicating many problems in your relationship that need fixing. He's immature, dysfunctional, and you fill in the holes for him. You've become more like a mother than a wife or lover. That has to change. You have to be equals. It is no wonder to me that he wound up with a very young woman. You need individual counseling, too, to figure out why you allow his tantrums and his overspending, and why you quiver at the thought of making him feel bad if you speak the truth.
I know. Been there, done that.
Whether you sell the house and leave him, or stay together to work on it, you take a gamble. Counseling will help you sort it all out. In the meantime, whatever you do, I would recommend keeping the separate bank accounts. Do not trust him to be honest because he isn't willing to talk. He is still hiding things from you and if you decide to give this relationship a shot, you still have to be wise as a serpent and protect your financial interests.
Hang in there.
~ Snow
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Snow,
Thank you for your advice. I am doing exactly what you suggest, at least part of it right now.
I started my own accounts when he was going to be moving in with the OW. I am still having my direct deposit go there (at a seperate bank) and withdraw $ to deposit in our joint account for bills. I told him I will continue to do that. He said he was figuring out the bills and realizes that he can not afford half of them. Since then (3 weekends now) he has voluntered to work each weekend to make extra cash. Gives me his checks to cash (I think to show me he DID indeed work the hours and was not out doing something else). I also said we need to refinance our home for a longer term (no charge refinance for us, so not bad deal) so that we can each pay half of bills. I will continue to save the amount over my half of the bills so I have something to fall back on if need be.
I am now checking the cell calls and caller ID, that I had stopped doing when he was going to be with OW. If he is not going to be with her, then I will find nothing. I need to do it now for my own peace of mind. I am pretty sure they will not contact each other after all that has happened, but you never know. I was told that previously, and then after 3 weeks of no contact was told cant live without her. So, for now, I will take that with a grain of salt.
I just hope I did not pass up selling our house and being independent because I am being "played" again. I know that is what my family is worried about.
When I think that he was going to give up us and everything we have done for 20 years for her I get mad. He still says he is SO nice... then the next time he will say - kind of asking me, she was kind of conniving wasent she? <img border="0" title="" alt="[Confused]" src="images/icons/confused.gif" /> Duh! But you were part of the equation too... I sure it is great to be worshiped by someone 20 years younger.... someone who told me several times she wanted my life... (silly me, I thought she was kidding). Loved our big home, land, pets, everything.... but why are men so stupid to fall for that? Dont they realize once they have a real life with this person it will be NOT what they wanted. Someone who skips work, spends $ like water, wants to party all the time with other 20+ year olds, only like crap TV and none of the TV we watch (A&E, Discovery, History etc.).
Ohhhh, sorry, starting to rant. Just want to know how I know if he is sincere or not....
Anyone have a lie detector machine I can borrow???? <img border="0" title="" alt="[Wink]" src="images/icons/wink.gif" />
Thanks again.... I will consider what you have said. I know he won't EVER go to counseling. I just have to decide if I want to push about the SA, EA or if I should wait awhile not to be LB.
I just know that I need to know someday....
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Update:
Well, I wanted to thank all for taking the time to respond to me. I am still in limbo... but I guess that will be the case for a while.
OW called on Friday to say Merry Christmas. B took phone outside and stood in the shed talking to her. I felt instantly ill. Put on my coat and walked out and said "get off phone or I am leaving". He shut the door on me. Went and loaded up stuff in vehicle and he came in. Said dont leave. It was nothing, she just called to wish Merry XMas. I asked it that was all why did he have to go outside to talk to her. He said he thought it would make ME uncomf. for him to talk to her in front of me. <img border="0" title="" alt="[Mad]" src="images/icons/mad.gif" /> He said first time he has talked to her in a month. Hugged me hard, told me to stop shaking and relax. Said it was nothing. I asked what is going on and he said nothing. Why did she call??? Just to ruin my entire holiday weekend? We had been having such a nice day. I just hate her so much. I know that is a strong word, but I really think I do.
Did Christmas Eve (company at our house then to B's family). Stopped at my family, the first time they have seen B since this all came out. Kind of tense, but better than I thought it would be.
Christmas Day I went to parents and met B at his familys home later. Got home and drank wine and chatted. Does drinking make people tell the truth? He told me he fells so bad because I never smile anymore and he knows it is his fault. He said he feels like he is living a lie, being with me when he still has these feelings for OW. I asked what he would do if OW wanted him back, would he choose her? He said he would kill himself, because he could not decide.
Man, I am such an IDIOT.... he says that and I still stay around. He says how much he loves me, but he cant help how he feels about her. How long does it take to get over an A? <img border="0" title="" alt="[Confused]" src="images/icons/confused.gif" /> I dont know if I should keep trying with Plan A or just move on (and rip my heart out in the process).
He said he knows we had a really good offer on our house and maybe we should take it - so that I can move on without him because he does not deserve to have me love him. He deserves to be alone for all that he has done to me. <img border="0" alt="[Teary]" title="" src="graemlins/teary.gif" />
I don't want to be without him. I love him so much... but now that I know he is just going through the motions because he is still in love with OW it hurts so bad. I hate to see him in such turmoil and hurting too. I just wish I knew what to do... that things would eventually get better.
I am so tired of being sad inside all the time. All I want is for him to hold me tight and tell me how much he loves me.... that I am the most important person in the world to him... like he used to do. I know he can't do that, because it would be a lie. I know he loves me, but is in love with someone else.
It just hurts so bad. <img border="0" title="" alt="[Frown]" src="images/icons/frown.gif" />
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You have mail. <small>[ December 27, 2004, 09:57 AM: Message edited by: star*fish ]</small>
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