if you don't mind my asking, you said he claims there's one thing you have to change before he'll even consider coming back, what was that one thing?

I asked him and he would not tell me...he told me i needed to figure it out <img border="0" title="" alt="[Roll Eyes]" src="images/icons/rolleyes.gif" /> I'm no mind reader...But he did bring up at the sametime the bills ,and working as a team.He wanted to make sure we could work as a team.But In the past a team was onesided to him..him not telling me what his paychecks were...buying new toys.And when a bill was due freaking out,expecting me to carry his weight.
He said that once I show him this one thing,he'll give up the relationships and show me all the love he's holding bottled up inside...he said he wants to make sure I'm the one and by me showing this he'll know.
<img border="0" title="" alt="[Confused]" src="images/icons/confused.gif" />
More imature mind games....

before he'll even consider coming back, what was that one thing? because no matter what it is, i can't believe after all his actions he'd think that you're the one with something to prove here. have you wrote him a letter about what you'd need for him to do in order for you to even consider taking him back?

No I haven't...I tried telling him verbally but he didn't even want to hear it,he didn't want to hear any rules he said.Until that one thing happened. <img border="0" title="" alt="[Roll Eyes]" src="images/icons/rolleyes.gif" /> So thinking of it that way,even though he's sad and depressed,he truly hasn't made his mind up , nor is willing to change.
He kept saying over and over again,
You don't think I like being marryed? I'm a family guy,I slept better,I was doing a better job at work,I could see my son more,If we don't work out I will get marryed again.
He says he goes from friends houses sleeping(which I don't by),he sleeps all over not just at Marcie's or Star's.He has a 3 bedroom two story duplexe to stay at(our old place).But he says it makes him depressed to be there.And since I took our bed(I didn't want him sleeping on it with someone) the couch I left doesn't fit him well.
He's started smoking,and he showed me his new lighter engraved from Star to him.But he still is claiming she is a client he records.....she gave him the sports car,now he's also taken over her lease on her BMW.(so he says)
He's one moody guy...yes he is back into drugs pot I know of,It wouldn't surprise me if he were doing coke.
he's the one who cheated, hurt you, brought other women into your house, and it would take a major effort on his part to fix all the damage he's caused you. no matter what you've done wrong, his behavior is inexcusable. he could have left you or insisted on you getting help, instead he chose to emotionally violate you in hideous ways. you want to know why he's upset? because he sees you surviving without him. that wasn't supposed to happen! you were supposed to fall apart, be willing to accept any sick behavior he felt like indulging in, and just be glad he allows you the pleasure of spending any time with him at all. how dare you be strong! but you are, and you can survive without him, which has to be scary for him. if you want my advice, i'm not sure dinner is such a good idea yet. why would you go? he's not willing to change, or even admit to any responsibility, so his only purpose is probably to suck you back into his game

<img border="0" title="" alt="[Smile]" src="images/icons/smile.gif" /> You are so right on !!!!!!!!!!!!!
He's scared he wants to make sure..I'm there just in case.He wants me to help him out of his mess.
If he truly wanted to work it out he would be doing more(maybe he's still in the fog),most likly he'll be there forever until he gets a grip with himself.
My dad said if I did go to dinner to pack one of those recorders to tape his big mouth ,cause he knows he'll be bragging about things at least I could have it on tape....bring to court if he threatened..who knows what would be brought up at dinner I don't think I should even go.
<img border="0" title="" alt="[Frown]" src="images/icons/frown.gif" /> I'll sleep on it
*****Thank you I'll write tomarrow

One more thing I forgot to add....He asked me If I still Loved him!?
<img border="0" title="" alt="[Eek!]" src="images/icons/shocked.gif" /> The man I once knew not the man he has become was my answer. He smiled and said you "still love me!"he seemed happy with that anwser, Like he needed to make sure...or something

gosh, betrayed, every time i think he's sunk as low as a person can go, he falls further! he won't tell you what the one thing he needs you to do? of course you're not a mind reader, and even if you were it's highly unlikely you could read print that small! how did i know it was drugs? it's amazing how you can tell by just hearing some of their behavior patterns, once you have experience with it. he's a family guy? now that's a good one! and if he liked being married so darn much, why not just tell you what he needs to consider working on marriage instead of ruining it with other woman? funny how clear it is to those of us without our heads shoved up the place we sit! are you safe from him if you stay strong? what i mean is, is there any danger to you if you don't play his games? because you need to protect both yourself and your child, which i know you already know! you're so strong, it shines through in every word you type! i think it may be time to seperate yourself from him completely. if you feel it's safe for your child to be around him, then allow him to visit with him but no more time with you. what do you get out of these visits but drama? you already know he isn't willing to even try to change, and you're only delaying your getting on with life. i hope i'm not coming across as harsh or uncaring, but i just don't see any benifit to you to allow him to keep doing this to you!! you have no chance of saving him from himself when he's having so much fun in falling without risking getting yourself crushed on his way down. protect yourself, protect yourself, and leave him to god. he's had alot more experience with that type than you!

Hey girl, sounds like you need to move on, I know giving advice is way easier than taking it, im in the same situation ( I should listen to myself..lol) but the extent on which he is pardon my language crapping on you, is above and beyond!!! start a life on your own, become someone you like and love, I guarantee when he sees how well your doing without him and how much you have blossomed, he'll be the one begging for you to come back!!! they always do when your looking and doing to good without them!!!!! good luck and god bless

Here's
a letter from his parents:

Dear Mary,

By withholding Kieran from seeing Kenny, his Father, you withhold
Kieran from
seeing us too. How sad and unfortunate that is for him. If your anger
allows you to try and keep Kieran away from Kenny, Kieran will most
likely be
kept away from us too his Grandparents, as Kenny is our son. How very
sad for
Kieran, how sad that truly is.

Debbie

Here's another letter: After I told everyone why I filed for Divorce.

Mary,

We DO NOT STAND UP FOR EVIL!! I'm sorry you believe that, it certainly
is
not the truth. We are Godly people and love the Lord with all our
hearts,
and that has certainly been demonstrated to both of you time and time
again!
The truth, as you call it, is somewhere between what we hear from you
and
what we hear from Kenny. It takes two to make a marriage work and it
takes
two to destroy one also. From what we have observed over the years
would say
that both have contributed to this outcome. We hurt for that.

As to who has done what to whom, you both know that your individual
actions
directly contribute to the actions of the other. Each action causes a
response which then causes another action. No one wins! Telling
everyone
what actions were taken by Kenny against you only brings one side of
the
situation out in the open. Again, it takes two.

We are as sorry as anyone involved whenever a marriage ends. Although
anger
is a natural reaction, letting it get the best of you will only hurt
you.
Irresponsible actions based on anger is not what's best for Kieran. So
our
request for both you and Kenny is to control your actions for the sake
of
Kieran's well being.

We're glad that you have talked with a Pastor. Seeking Godly advice at
this
time is the best thing. However, had this been done eariler in the
marriage,
all of this may have been avoided. As we both know this was never
walked out
by either of you.

Mary, we want to hear from you. Again, what we want to hear is how
Kieran is
doing. None of us in this home need to hear all the onesided stories
and
details of a broken marriage from two very self-centered people.

Sent with God's love for you, Kieran and Kenny,
Kent & Debbie

Ken can only see Kieran our son while in the presence on me or my parents because of his domestic violence and drug use.His parents have only justified his behavior,and there words don't add up with there actions...just like Ken!!
We haven't talked in months since the emails!!

Thank you kristawny,

Yes I do think it's time to move on,the hard part is...visits with my son are here.Under me or my parents,I could leave the house when he comes over but...i'm carless right now.
Plus he comes over at night,would it look bad if I were gone at night with custody issues!?
Hmmm well I guess I could not go around him,stay on the other side of the house <img border="0" title="" alt="[Big Grin]" src="images/icons/grin.gif" /> that will work!
I'm doing everything I can to make sure he doesn't get our son everyother weekend.
His parents are pissed but Kieran is safe this way!!
They justify everything*the affairs the abuse* the blowing his money on new recording gear.
I do blame them for filling his head with crap,they say there christians but there far from it!!!
They want me to take care of him,while he plays!
<img border="0" title="" alt="[Mad]" src="images/icons/mad.gif" />

I guarantee when he sees how well your doing without him and how much you have blossomed, he'll be the one begging for you to come back!!! they always do when your looking and doing to good without them!!!!!

<img border="0" title="" alt="[Wink]" src="images/icons/wink.gif" /> Isn't that funny it's so true!!
Whenever I say I'm doing good.. starting classes..looking more and more attractive each month that passes by he always tries to bring me down.I was very attractive when we first married,then i let myself go because I was soooo depressed.He would always look at the pictures when we were 20 and say dang Mary you looked sooooo goooood <img border="0" title="" alt="[Razz]" src="images/icons/tongue.gif" /> Well Marys blonde and has her old bod back,now I just need to get my career in line and piece up this broken heart!!
And torcher the heck out of him....watCH him beg and plead <img border="0" title="" alt="[Cool]" src="images/icons/cool.gif" /> It will happen someday,I know what all those emotions he has bottled up inside are that he was speaking of Probly Lust and wanting to get with me.Thats why I didn't go over to are old place....God KNows I don't want no STD.
Why else would he want me over there at 9pm to help clean up...yaaaaaaaaaa rightttt!
AND THIS dinner thing....it doesn't add up.
Someday it will really hit him,and i'm just afraid he'll kill himself or something...he's talked like that to me before during our marriage.
Thats another one of my fears I guess when he does come out of the fog.

Just writing,having one of those days...trying to stop myself from telling STBX off <img border="0" title="" alt="[Mad]" src="images/icons/mad.gif" />
He came for a visit last night one hour late~ 8pm is bad enough,our son is sleeping by 8:30pm for sure...IT GOT TO BE 9:15pm no sign of him.So I turned off the porch light and left a message on his cell,make sure you call me next time I find it rude not to call and let me know your not coming to see our son.And we need to know more of a notice then at 8pm that night.
9:20PM he shows up,hey can I see my son.So I bring him out of bed so he could hold him.During this time I go into my room and close the door,next thing he's knocking on my door..hey can i talk to you.
<img border="0" title="" alt="[Razz]" src="images/icons/tongue.gif" /> Ya why not(I was not in the greatest mood ).

He started off saying "You know I don't want things this way!"
I bit my lip and said "Really,Ken what you've done to my insides it would take alot of mending to repair"

In a Arrogant,and cocky tone:
"Well Mary the past 3 years you have made me feel not special and like you didn't care about my dreams "
All you cared about was starting a family,not about getting me through college.You know NO ONE In this city knows what I know in the recording industry" I'm getting bored I've already did all the night clubs in town next week I'm going out to Chicago to do some clubs,and go to the Bose Training.You know I will be making 6 figures someday,and you won't be able to escape me you'll see a movie i've helped,or hear a tune on the radio I worked on"

I wanted to laugh Really...I've heard this FOR YEARS!!!! "Ken, you are very talented..i'm sure you will go somewhere with it!!"

"Mary,I'm still waiting for that one thing"

"What is it Ken?I'm no mind reader!!"

(Ken)"Well I want you to show me that I'm special and that you know who I am..and what I'm about "

(in my mind I was thinking Ya I know what your all about)..

Here's the kicker...."Mary,I think you need to go to a counselor..to get help (over the affairs),I think it would be good for you!"

My mouth dropped "Ken, I am apart of some great support groups,and yes I have gotten Help for the Mess you have caused this family" "I'm Healing,I'm moving forward!"

(Ken)Well you'll never make no 6 figuares like me.

<img border="0" title="" alt="[Roll Eyes]" src="images/icons/rolleyes.gif" /> Ken will see in 5 years WHO'S WHERE,Remember when you said I was so weak...you really thought I would just wither away...AND DIE, But I'm not Going to!!!
You've broken the vows to our marriage,and I haven't seen anything to show me why I would want to be with you!!
Look your sleeping with two women I know about and you can't even be commited to them!!
He started smirking..
(Ken) "Well I'm just in survival mode,I don't care about anyone sex is just sex..I haven't met the right one yet I thought you were her" I want to be married but married to the right person!! <img border="0" title="" alt="[Roll Eyes]" src="images/icons/rolleyes.gif" />

Ken you can't Love someone until you Love yourself!! Ken you are wearing me out I have nothing to show you nothing to prove..Nothing I did to you made you go and have an affair.

As far as I'm concerned It was no affair,we weren't married anymore...you stopped showing me You cared about my dreams.I'm just dating!!

<img border="0" title="" alt="[Wink]" src="images/icons/wink.gif" /> Ken,ya know someone I know....... told me I would get to a point where I would look at you and Grieve the Man you were,and PITTY THE MAN YOU HAVE BECOME!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

I'm there now <img border="0" title="" alt="[Eek!]" src="images/icons/shocked.gif" />

yippee, party for mary! i'll bring the cake! i'm so proud of you! it's so hard to do what's right when just going with the flow would be so much easier, but you're doing it! it will get easier i promise, of course, can it get much harder than realizing that the man you've loved so long is gone? and he is. he can say this isn't what he wants all day long, but at days end only his actions count for anything. and i rolled on the ground after reading that bit about him making six figures. like that will make up for his being an abusive, drug using adulterer? sorry sweets, mary's not for sale! and as for his parents, have you thought about writing back? telling them you found their last letter rather hurtful in the implication that you did something to deserve the way he's treated you? and that what's truly best for him is two parents who he will be safe around, even if they aren't together. if they'd like to come see him at your home, they can feel free, but because of past drug and abuse problems you don't feel safe with him taking him out yet. actually, maybe not that part because you know they won't believe it! maybe it's time to set up some sort of court regulated visitation pattern. no more showing up whenever he feels like it, and screw any thoughts to you or even baby's sleep schedule. how is your divorce going? check into regulating his visits, cut down on his ability to play these childish games!

<img border="0" title="" alt="[Wink]" src="images/icons/wink.gif" /> Thanx!!!!
After last night looking into his cold evil eyes,so much differant then the last time.What I saw was a sad sight...he has sooo much bitterness anger...acts as though women are a pieces of meat.That he enjoys sucking the very life out of them,then moves onto the next willing soul.
He's been dabbling into some scary things too,going to haunted houses,he's been very into the whole spirit thing..Steven King movies and the super natural,he even thinks he saw a UFO.
<img border="0" title="" alt="[Confused]" src="images/icons/confused.gif" /> Anyways.....the Fog is back,it comes and goes here and there and I see little glimmers of the old man.But He is sooooo far from that man now~
I really think he hates himself,he's so unhappy.I don't think it helps him having a best friend who is(acording to Ken)a phychotrist(sp?),he told Ken it would put a spark back into our lives if he had an affair.
His Best Buddie he looks up to more then anyone...his wife works as a college teacher,while he stays home and watches the two little girls and records in his studio..the guy is 35 and still keeps putting and dumping money into cd's.
He sells Pot,He's into Porn....not good he spends all his money on his 100 thousand dollar studio.While she takes care of him...he quit his job and is now fallowing his dreams recording.
He's telling Ken I have the issues Affairs are not distuctive....

His parents I wrote back in Sept when I got the emails from them.Telling them Ken could see Kieran anytime he chose not to come around and see him at that time because he was into the OW too much to see his son.
They want to fly my baby out to Florida with Ken...and they have only seen Kieran once.Never visited us before!!
I said they could see Kieran when they come into town.Kierans great grandparents(kens side) visited him..with no problem.They just acted so differant didin't hug me and say they loved me like before....I'm not apart of the family.
The divorce is going good so far,i'm still waiting on child support it started sept 17th of this year,and it's taking forever for it to get into the friend of the courts computers.

There doing a visitation investigation,WHICH WILL BE HERE IN A COUPLE WEEKS.I pray Ken won't get him every other weekend,I doubt he would even want him since he's so busy.
I have all his paperwork on domestic violence,love letters(even though it's a no fault state),meds doctor notes,drug arrest when he was 18,driving record....I'm writing down everything.
The only thing I wish I would have done was take the car,and some music gear <img border="0" title="" alt="[Razz]" src="images/icons/tongue.gif" />

<img border="0" title="" alt="[Big Grin]" src="images/icons/grin.gif" />

Betrayed,

I've been reading your post over the last couple of days and I can't hold back anymore.....

You have to lose this guy! He's 24 going on 16 for cripe sakes. You're young enough where you could completely rebuild or recommit with someone else. I can't help thinking that you're more afraid that what you love is the idea of staying with your high school sweetheart versus staying with this guy. Maybe you're afraid of the death of a dream instead of the death of your marriage.

Please don't get me wrong here I AM NOT an advocate of divorce and want everyone to work out there marriages, but man....if the guy is really saying what you're posting here, I can't help but think that he has a looooonnnngggg way to go and grow.

Ask yourself what your own values are now at age 25. Family? Steady Job? Education? Stability? I can tell You're thinking differently about your own life as the posts go on here. That is good and keep that up. But take a serious look at what your needs are and ask yourself if this person can meet those now and even in the future. A successful marriage is based on couples meeting each others most important needs. Your situation is very one sided and you're dealing with a very paternalistic or rather selfish and immature individual.

Take your time though, and he may be right in one thing....go to individual counseling. NOT FOR HIM BUT FOR YOURSELF. Go not to figure out who you are for him, but for your own sanity!!!

Good Luck my friend. Remember, men at 24 are not 24.

Thanx Bandit,
I needed to hear that!! I think I'm more afraid of losing the person I once knew,then I am of the marriage itself.I met him at church of all places <img border="0" title="" alt="[Wink]" src="images/icons/wink.gif" /> I was 16 him 15...I was the youth leader,and he was the rebal looking for answers(with parents who are marriage counselors) <img border="0" title="" alt="[Roll Eyes]" src="images/icons/rolleyes.gif" /> Hard to Believe...but Infidelity I just found out runs in his family his(onetime) dad and grandpa(many times).
It just seems like we clicked so well for so long,we could talk about anything and everything.We went through a death of a baby (still birth)and a M/c in our first year of marriage;
Which totally boggles my mind God gave him a chance at being a DAD And he's gone and screwed it up <img border="0" alt="[Teary]" title="" src="graemlins/teary.gif" />
I have no clue who is going to be a male role model in his life My dad is still here but there getting old...I have a brother but he has 6 kids of his own.I just look at my son and want to give him the world...and I will be the Best Mom I can be...but I just worry he's missing out(they both are).It's so sad.... <img border="0" title="" alt="[Frown]" src="images/icons/frown.gif" />
My dream was/is to marry have a family live life travel,be in love with someone who loves me back as much as I love them....I'm a fighter I hate to let go as you can tell...But I cannot fight for him if he cannot fight back for us our family.

And Feb 2003 is coming up thats when my lawyer said it should be final...the months since July have flown By!!!
I think 25 Gosh I'm getting old at least my heart and brain feels as though i'm 10 years older then I am.....good grief my eggs are dieing away so much for having my kids spaced close in age(and having 4 of them)....K now i'm rambling on.
But yes Ken and my dreams views on life are so differant I'm not going to spend the rest of my life taking care of him.
It should be the other way around...this girl is way tooooo old fashioned!!!
LOL
<img border="0" title="" alt="[Razz]" src="images/icons/tongue.gif" />

Just to Keep my mind on track that STBX is Not thinking about me I thought I would type the love letters I found before Leaving our place.What is crazy is he used to write me love letters and songs same words more in deepth letters...but it's healing for me to do this..so here goes <img border="0" title="" alt="[Big Grin]" src="images/icons/grin.gif" />

Letter to Marcy from Ken (Marcy is the first Ow..who is now divorcing her husband after he had an affair on her)

(Marcy)
I like to hold you I like To keep an angel by myside.

Found that in his wallet..

Sept 12th 2002
Here's a long one to Marcy from Ken:

Tonight I sit underneath a blanketed sky
of stars thinking by the time you get this letter THE MOMENT WILL SURELY HAVE PAST..THAT IS...WERE I AM NOW.
I sit here in a dazed confusion of Love,Fustration,and Hope.In my mind I'm looking back at past Memories like a door Left blown open by a winter storm.I sit here shivering because I am cold.I'm cold only by the thought that I am not with you now.
I dream about warm summer nights that I miss.I miss the way your silky hair blows in the wind.
As I listen to the waves crashing beside us.Holding you this close and feeling you breathe alows my soul to melt upon your soft lips.What do I do now? What do I say? My mind is left rushing for answers,because you make me feel a way I have never felt before.
I touch your velvet skin and pray---I can live like this again.I stand holding onto you listening to your heart and giving into your suductive brown eyes.I am in Heaven..everything I've ever hoped,dreamed,and wished for was in my arms that night.I sit now again thinking.
Another door has opened in my mind.One that shines bright with sunshine and a gateway to a white picket fence,and a house of Love,a Lifetime of Happyness.This door however cannot be walked through tonight.It remains a promise of hope for days to come.I sit here with my eyes closed revisioning your laugh,your smile ,your sent.In everything I do,Everywhere I go,I am in constant remembrance of you.How I could wish I could only wrip apart a page out of time to experance you again,the way I have today.How I wish I could pull back time to just see you again,now ,in this moment.
I understand good things come in time and that patients is a virtue to Love Life and everything that matters...so here i sit thinking of you Goodnight you girl I love you

Here's one from Star the OW he is very involved with now as well....
The Fog must do REALLY WIERD THINGS TO PEOPLES HEADS

(she's 20 and a cop of all things**comes from a very wealthy family..buys him everything)
Sept 2002
Dear Ken,
Well Hey! How are you? I am just Amazed that you dropped me off about 10 min ago,and I am already missing you..like it's been days.I have this undescribable intimate connection with you that touches me in ways I have never been touched before.I am infatuated with you Ken.It's crazy to think how life and love work themselves out,but at the sametime it's so breathtaking and beautiful.It's just extremely strange timing how some people and there significant others come together these days.But I like it!!

It keeps life Real and interesting,the way it should be.I trust my feelings and I trust my life.Therefore I truly believe it would be a huge mistake for me not to be with you,because I refuse to fight what is meant to be.When I think about you which is constantly I feel intimately weak.Like the exact way when you kiss me.
I melt when I think of the way you hold my face when you kiss me.The way you look into my eyes when your done kissing me.Ken I feel like I have already made love with you.I can't even believe the intensity gets stronger and stronger..more intimate.We have so many wonderful things in common,but just enough differances to make things interesting.I think everything is perfect that is your perfect for me.
I want to take all your pain away because I don't think it's fair for a person as great as you are should be hurting the way you are.Well here I will leave you at this -I will never hurt you.And I don;t make promises I can't keep.After all while no ones watching us why don't we just do it in the road.
See you friday
Love Star Serene
P.s I am so glad you came into my life slowy but surely your becoming my life!

What A Stud <img border="0" title="" alt="[Cool]" src="images/icons/cool.gif" />
Is this CRAZY <img border="0" title="" alt="[Mad]" src="images/icons/mad.gif" /> How in Gods name can he feel like this about two women....I just wanna copy them and send them to both ow....so bad!!!

Dear Betrayed:

Oh My God! What an absolute, complete, and total horror story! Do not even consider reconciliation under any circumstances! You have been put through the meat grinder! Physical abuse, emotional abuse, mental abuse; and what about the fallout on your precious child? This is completely unfathomable to me.

You know, I looked up your story because I was checking out the MB Picture site and found you there. It never ceases to amaze me how every time I think I have finally read the worst story I could possibly read in the MB Forum, another one comes along that totally blows it out of the water!

I just looking over all the Pics in the MB Photo Thread and thinking how tragic it was that all the wonderful people in those pictures have been betrayed by the ones that they love and trusted so much. It is so sad.

Betrayed, please, draw upon your inner-strength and get as much support as you need to do right for yourself and your child. Continue on with the Divorce to completion and get that poisonous personality out of your life as much as is possible, given that you share a child together.

God bless and good luck.

PS - After I viewed your pics, I would most certainly say you are VERY ATTRACTIVE by any measure! Do not let that man berate you!

i know it must be real hard for you , but remember that you are everything in your son's live , he the one that you are in love with , he is the one that needs you strong and well , remember that song " i will survive " well everytime i hear that makes me strong... really ! you dont need him .... you will be okey !!
God Bless <img border="0" title="" alt="[Smile]" src="images/icons/smile.gif" />

Oh My God! What an absolute, complete, and total horror story! Do not even consider reconciliation under any circumstances! You have been put through the meat grinder! Physical abuse, emotional abuse, mental abuse; and what about the fallout on your precious child? This is completely unfathomable to me.

Blindside...whats Ironic in this Is I started to Believe Him.....now I can start to SEE what he's done to me!!! The emotional damage is the worst....bruises go away...
I just looking over all the Pics in the MB Photo Thread and thinking how tragic it was that all the wonderful people in those pictures have been betrayed by the ones that they love and trusted so much. It is so sad.

I was thinking the same thing ,all those smiles.....could turn into some much pain..it breaks my heart!!

Betrayed, please, draw upon your inner-strength and get as much support as you need to do right for yourself and your child. Continue on with the Divorce to completion and get that poisonous personality out of your life as much as is possible, given that you share a child together.

God bless and good luck.

PS - After I viewed your pics, I would most certainly say you are VERY ATTRACTIVE by any measure! Do not let that man berate you!

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<img border="0" title="" alt="[Smile]" src="images/icons/smile.gif" /> Thank you Blindside......I just need to stay strong no matter what comes down the road....i'm sure I'll be venting here alot...

but remember that you are everything in your son's live , he the one that you are in love with , he is the one that needs you strong and well , remember that song " i will survive " well everytime i hear that makes me strong...

Thank you Erika.....I love that Song too, it came on the radio the other day I picked my son up and we started dancing around the room... <img border="0" title="" alt="[Razz]" src="images/icons/tongue.gif" /> It was fun!!!!

<small>[ November 07, 2002, 08:30 AM: Message edited by: BetrayedByMyBestFriend ]</small>

Wow...... I have read this and to be honest I now know What a real jerk of a Man acts like. My wife clams I emoutionally abused her!! I now know that I was neve like this guy...so maybe I'm not as bad as she clams I am.

<img border="0" title="" alt="[Wink]" src="images/icons/wink.gif" /> Thats good....what did you say to her??
LOL