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I'm not attempting to cross-post here...but please read my post HERE.

Everyone seems to be suggesting plan A...but is it the proper plan to implement if my wife has completely given up on me and us?

I'm trying to buy time now by making arrangements for us to live together for an unknown period of time as just "friends" since we can't afford to split up and get a divorce, lose our house etc. No fighting or bickering.

Should I give her the impression that I'm accepting the fact that she no longer is in love with me? As it seems right now...if I keep trying to show her love by touching her...telling her I love her...kissing her on the cheek before I leave etc...she seems to get irritated.
I've done these things before so it's not new to her. <img border="0" title="" alt="[Frown]" src="images/icons/frown.gif" />

Does this make sense to anyone?

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Yes do Plan A.

If she gets irritated because you do something, then don’t do it.

I'm trying to buy time now by making arrangements for us to live together for an unknown period of time as just "friends" since we can't afford to split up and get a divorce, lose our house etc.
If you don’t do Plan A, then you will not be together (Plan B or divorce) and how will you afford to split up?

Don’t “arrange” it so you are just living together. Yes, you should back off a bit & not push the lovey-dovey stuff, but don’t make an issue of NOT doing it.

No fighting or bickering.
This is an integral part of Plan A.

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Thanks Chris.

Question: So I should avoid all physical contact with her if that's what she wants? What if after a few days she says she wants sex? This has happned twice already and I did it, but she made it clear it was just sex and not making love. So while she was having sex (with me)...I was making love. OUCH!
Should I please her or should I turn her down like shes been turning me down? If I turn her down I fear it will give her a "reason" to sleep with OM if she hasn't already.

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SC: I asked the Plan A question of Cerri, a poster on the JFO forum that is also a marriage coach. Her reference to the "watch Oprah homework" is her common assignment of watching three Oprah shows, and paying attention to how Oprah asks questions of guest to come to a better understanding of what they are saying.

Anyway, this is my question and her reply:
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C: Have you got anything stored away in your archives that elaborate on how to do Plan A? the JFO poster Seacoast in the post "Help! I'm losing her!" could use some advice... --------------------------------------------------------------------------------

When I do a Plan A with someone we talk first and foremost about LBers. There is NO point in meeting needs if you're emptying the bank as faster (or faster!) than you're filling it. Also, I think that meeting needs without addressing LBers head on is more detrimental than helpful. Especially when it's the wife who is in w/d or having the A, it sets up the Yo-Yo Syndrome which is the beginning of a slow and painful marital death.

So, we talk about LBers, and usually after one phone session or a few emails I have a pretty good idea if there are control (DD&A) things going on. I have them read LBers if possible and send me their answers to the questions at the end of the chapters. Then we talk about those things and how a spouse will perceive them differently than the one acting them out.

From there (almost at the same time but with the emphasis that the hurting has to stop) we go to meeting needs. Generally there isn't a good way to find out what the spouse's needs are, so we either take the standard male or female needs or we make an educated guess.

For husbands, I put LOTS (picture billboard size letters there) of emphasis on conversation. Not only because it's an EN, but because it's going to be the pathway back to connection. So it has to be safe, (and that includes not feeling blown off or ignored) fun, interactive, engaged, participative, etc. (I'm collecting conversational adjectives if anyone wants to contribute, BTW)

I give the 'watch Oprah' homework that I posted to P a couple weeks ago, and some other similar assignments and then ask that they report to me how implementing those skills makes a difference. (without fail they all tell me that they had no idea what bad conversationalists they were and that just a few little changes makes a big difference)

For more event oriented stuff I simply have them make a list and put it in their calendar. Phone calls, emails, cards, dinners, kid activities, stuff like that.

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Thanks John,

What is DD&A?

I'm not a great conversationalist...wife is. I KNOW I need to talk to her more and I haven't in the past. In short, that's why we're at this point now. My lack of talking and expressing my feelings...hence the "lies" and hidden cell phone.

She's being civil at this point, which makes plan A soooo much easier to implement.

Should I NEVER EVER mention the OM even if I know or suspect she's talking to him?


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