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#473331 04/08/04 01:53 AM
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H just told me that he will be going to visit with OW, after he told me 3 days ago that he felt it was disrespectful to see her. H told me that I have him 99% of the time and he only sees OW every 3 months (news to me). H says he doesn't want any drama about the situation because he has to work this out his way. We had our first MB counseling yesterday and H was told that reconcilation won't happen unless NC with OW. He says he will continue to read the MB information but it won't be any real effort because he is not letting the OW go now. I give him credit for honesty, but I'm doubtful I can survive like this - what are thoughts?

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jasmine3,
hard to have hope when they will NC OW, hu? I know how you feel. I just asked WH if he ever talks to OW anymore. He said just in passing like hi, how are you. Not what I wanted to hear. I'm sure he will not quit his job or try to get transferred and neither will she. I don't know what to do either. When do you just give up? At least he is being honest with you. That is the good thing here. Aren't you glad you get him 99% of the time. How fortunate for you - NOT! That is certainly the wrong attitude for him to have and I just don't know how to make a marriage work when it is so one-sided. Good luck and my blessings to you.

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Thanks ... this is probably the greatest challenge of my life thus far. I didn't get more than an hours sleep last night. You think, think, think - and the most peaceful thing I come up with is to run & get out of the situation. Best wishes to you also. Prayers to you - the prayers of the righteous availith (sp?) much.

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Jas,
Me too minus 3 hours of sleep loss last night. It is so hard, the hardest thing in my life too. I guess I have been blessed until now. I keep thinking that I must of broke a large mirror in 2003. I want to run away too, but I know it won't help anything. Hang in there!

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Hi Jasmine

I am sorry that you missed sleep last night. But this ordeal can definitely do it to you.

H is being honest. This may definitelyly help so that you can decide what you would like to do. It is better when the S is telling the truth rather than hiding which many times holds the BS up from making important decisions.

As for the both of you, to even start recovery honesty will be crucial. It will be crucial for you to be honest with him and he with you. It will be crucial for you to be honest with yourself about your M and what you really want. Infidelity, is usually symptomatic of underlying problems.

So now though it is a hurtful situation, it is a time where you can look at problems that may have existed or any concerns that may have been there. It is a time to think about how you would like for things to be in your M. It is time for you to examine, honestly if you were unhappy with anything in your M. It is a time to do some soul searching from within about what you would like to happen even on a personal level in your life.

Unfortunately, because dealing with the pain of betrayal, the BS many times becomes so burdened down with thinking, "was there something wrong with me" or "what can I do?" or "maybe I didn't do this right or that". Perhaps there are many things that you could've done differently. Not to dismiss this, but also the WS plays an important part in the M. Though there may have been some things that you weren't doing or needed to do understand that, "it takes two (2) to tango". Just as you decided to be faithful, he too could've decided to stay faithful. So don't beat yourself up about it. But accept that you and WS has to take responsibilty and own up to the part you played in the deterioration of the M.

And whatever you do try your best NOT to make this about the OW. I mean to yourself, try not to get stuck on comparing yourself with her and giving her the total credit for taking your H out of your hands. There was a problem between you. That doesn't mean that she took him off your hands. It seems from what you put in your post that he loves you, but he needs to decide the road he would like to travel.

The $64,000 question: Is it time for Plan B? You have to be the one to answer that. Dr Harley says that when the WS is tryng to decide which of you he wants it is time to go. Since your H says he wants you both he is acting like a cakeater. Which makes it highly unlikely that he will just step to the plate and do what is right, deciding to save the M and acknowledge his role in the downfall of it. Also it makes it highly likely that you will have a long road ahead of you should you decide that you would like to hang in there with him and stay in the M.

So is it time for you to give him a letter letting him know what you require and then seperate? In Plan B, the seperation is suppose to be until he is willing to comply fully with
the letter of your requirements. One of them being that he give OW up entirely. Or is it time to wait before you go into Plan B. Negotiate NC, follow a plan to help end the A then wait to see how he reacts. Again only you know because this may only delay the inevitable that you will eventually go into Plan B anyway.

Dr Harley says that the A will end. It is very likely that it will. However that doesn't mean that it won't take time, allowing your H to see his error and patience with the whole process before it does end.

So for you what does this mean? Are you willing to sacrifice going on with the situation as it is? Would you like to go on with him being between you and OW? You have options. Would you like to stay with him and work in Plan A negotiating that he end the A? Now is the time to explore your options. Also now is the time to find out what you really, really want and what you want to offer to this M and to yourself.

You can do some things on your part to try to help End the A? Have you sought out who the OW is and attempted to reveal the A to her SO or H (without actually telling your H this)? Have you revealed the A to your family and church leader or is the MC your church leader?

If not, then you can try to do these things also, which are better served to do them all at one time. Once these things are done though they may help end the A they are only the start of the work that you'll have to do with H to get toward recovery. Because again he has to decide that he wants this M. And more importantly because one of you (which is usually yhe case) or both of you will need to committ to helping get the M back on track.

For you try to deal with the aspects of the M that may cause you to be more concerned with what he is doing. Instead focus on what you want and what you can do because ultimitely you are the one out here on MB trying to work it out. So in many things you will have to lead. But to do this it helps to have your personal issues and concerns out there for you to deal with. At a bare minimum it helps to have him at least ecide to save your M and willing to let OW go, then be willing to make some actions toward change.

And lastly, but very important watch out for your sexual health and the concern of STD's. Protect yourself.

And for heaven's sake take care of you. Do things that will help you get rest at night. Do things that will help you stay in touch with yourself. If you have children take care of them too. Trust me this too will pass. Talk to friends. Post. Exercise. Eat right. Take care of yourself.

Here is a site that may be helpful.

Strategies to help you move from self-defeat to rational living

I wish you the best and will offer a little prayer up for you.

<small>[ April 08, 2004, 02:04 PM: Message edited by: freetobe ]</small>

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One night when I was out of my mind with grief and fear, I started reading Hosea and it gave me some ideas...

In chapter 2 God is speaking to adulterous Israel, and he says:

"Therefore I will block her path with thornbushes; I will wall her in so that she cannot find her way.
She will chase after her lovers but not catch them; she will look for them but not find them. "

So I prayed that God would do this in my husbands path. The next day his internet got cut off.

Also further on he talks about "leading them into the wilderness where he will allure them and speak comfortable words", which I did- he called and sounded lonely one day, so I invited him for a visit ( I live in the wilderness, lol) and seduced him.

It worked.

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Point being, that they are in a fog and sometimes they need a little help finding their way out.

It might be that the o/w is making him feel guilty, making demands or something, insisting on seeing him, making it difficult for him to break it off completely.

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Freetobe,
Thank you for your words. You really helped me put things back in perspective. I tell myself that God does not put more on us than we can bear and that all things happen for a reason. I've found that due to this situation, I have looked deeper into who and what I am and how I came to be this way. I have also found that I truly desire more for myself on a personal level than I have allowed myself to think about in the past few years. I had allowed myself to settle both personally and in marriage, but at the time I thought I was doing all I could do; really all I wanted to do at the time - raising my children and trying to be a good wife. I lived a life in corporate America w/Masters degree but decided to become homemaker while raising our young children - thinking this was the direction my husband was going too. Thinking changes, I guess that's why communication is so important. Thanks again.

J

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Shul,
Thank you for your words. Your words really encouraged me because sometimes I forget that God is all knowing and can change the hearts of man if it is his will. Putting our concerns and worries in God's hand will bring the peace that passeth all understanding. I'm glad that reading the word of God brought your husband back to you.
Blessing to all.

J

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J3,
Okay listen. I don't know how long you've been in Plan A. I also don't know how successful you feel it's been.

THAT is the question you have to ask. It's not...is it TIME for Plan B...it's...have you done enough Plan A yet ?

This is difficult..and it just really is frustrating and makes you so sick to your stomach thinking about nothing but what is going on.

My Plan A...was successful...but let's not think I didn't fall off THAT wagon a time or two.

My point is...I thought at one point...it was time for Plan B...it was after my FWH decided he wanted to come back to the M, and be with me. Just wasn't ready to give up OW QUITE yet. So see...I sat in your boat... KNOW exactly how you feel.

Stay as calm as you can. In MY case...the OW became stupid...and threatening to me...which really turned a light on in my FWH eyes.

My guess is OW won't appeal to your H as much as he thinks it will right now. Remember..before...it was secrets and lies...which very much builds up the fantasy of the whole thing.

But now he's lifting the fog a little bit...and he KNOWS YOU KNOW that he'll be seeing her. This will play into YOUR favor if you deal with it correctly. Supportive....<--go figure right...we get burned...than have to chew all the nails.

The one thing I told my FWH EARLY on... was this single phrase......

"I know you're going through a very difficult time right now, and it hurts me to see you in such turmoil. I wish there was something I could do to make it easier, or to ease your pain, but I realize this is your issue to deal with, in your own time...and in your own way"

Try that. It offers support...but also gets your point across.

Please hold off on Plan B a little longer if you can...you know that's a very risky path to take.

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BIJ,
I needed to hear that because in my situation I truly feel that my husband would appreciate those words. Thanks for the encouragement and your success gives me hope. Blessings to you.

J


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