Hi all

You all were right. My H having PA w/more than 1 woman. I broke into his email accounts. He fell in love with one woman and had PA and found other emails of PA's with OW.

He is in VA on guards for 2 weeks. He doesn't know I know yet. We did get into big arguement on the phone over money. In the emails I found where he was spending money on this OW and her kids. When I complained about being short on money he started saying how he's cutting me off financially because he found out I moved the money out of our savings accounts into a safe place.

I have all the emails, what do I do next?

um, trying to think back to dday. I'm no expert, see what others say, but I would confront him in a non-hostile manner. Sorry about the money thing, that sucks knowing he was wasting on others. Glad you got some of it saved though.
Good luck

Yikes, good investigating. I hope you will protect any money that you can. Then you will have to take legal steps to be sure he pays for you and kids.

Sorry this happened to you. Hang in there.

Make copies of the emails and keep them safe.

When he gets home, confront him, ask him is he having a PA, give him the chance to be honest with you, if he denies it, then hit him with the proof and see what he says then.

Lets know when this is done and I am sure you will get good advice from many as to your next step after the initial confrontation.

Take care.

o.k., here's the deal. I uncovered PA's today via breaking into H's emails. H and I got into argument (as per last post) on phone. ALthough I didn't let him know even a small percentage of what I know, I did let him know I knew who the PA's occurred with.

H's biggest concern was that I would tell her boss and his boss which inturn would get them both fired (this was his bringing up, not mine). He kept saying if that happens then I would screw myself out of child support. I said either way, if I expose them or not, I lose my husband so I guess that decision is totally up to me. I told him that in 30 seconds on 1/06 he snatched the kids and I's dream away from us and now he thinks I should be concerned about their jobs? I told him that I will do what it takes to support the kids, I will work my fingers to the bone which will take one more thing away from them and that's the time I am able to spend with them now (I work 2 days a week)

Everytime I tried to make a case of what is in the best interest of the kids, he would bring up every past mistake I may have made. I stood my ground and told him all he is doing is trying to justify his wrong doings and he can't do that to me anymore. Every lie he tried to say on the phone to weasel his way out, I stood my ground and didn't let him lead me in another direction (as he has done so well prior to me knowing all the facts) We ended up hanging up pretty angry with one another, stating that we were getting know where, and saying I love you to each other <img border="0" title="" alt="[Confused]" src="images/icons/confused.gif" /> (We've still said that through this whole mess)

I went to bed (this was 10:30p.m.) at midnight my phone rings. IT IS HIM <img border="0" title="" alt="[Eek!]" src="images/icons/shocked.gif" /> He says "I am sorry, I am sick of us argueing, it seems that's all we do lately" (We were never a couple to argue prior to 1/06)

I said "I know, I am sorry too, and I am sick of the argueing. We are doing this cuz theirs a lot at stake". Some more nice things were said (I won't bore you <img border="0" title="" alt="[Embarrassed]" src="images/icons/blush.gif" /> ). H ended it by saying we can try at us again <img border="0" title="" alt="[Big Grin]" src="images/icons/grin.gif" /> and see where it goes <img border="0" title="" alt="[Confused]" src="images/icons/confused.gif" /> I know, that all sounds great. We ended with 2 I love You's, sleep tight.

Here's the kicker. As soon as I got off the phone I fired up the ole PC and attempted his email and just as I thought,,he figured out I was in there and changed the password again. I doubt if I will get into it again, he changed the settings I was using to access it today (it's hard to explain).

ALthough he didn't say anything about me getting into it, obviously he knows. I had forwarded all the emails to my account for proof. ALthough I deleted the "sent items", it still showed the little "flag" that it was forwarded, just doesn't show who it was forwarded to. I know it would have been smarter to print them (no evidence), but there were approx 200 emails <img border="0" title="" alt="[Frown]" src="images/icons/frown.gif" /> , I had to do this from work and that would have been a lot of printing.

Here's my question, or my feeling so to speak. H may be saying we will work on "us" just to shut me up because he knows the ammunition I have now (and it's a lot including pornography items, sex with multiple girls, masturbation, real gross stuff, WHY DO I STILL WANT TO BE MARRIED??????? <img border="0" title="" alt="[Confused]" src="images/icons/confused.gif" /> <img border="0" title="" alt="[Confused]" src="images/icons/confused.gif" /> )

I know I can't trust him, he has led this double life for over a year because I DID trust him. Where do I go from here? We have a great MC lined up but I am looking for MB'rs perspectives. I have a feeling my snooping days are over. I knew I had to make this one count (It took me all day at work to go through his emails and forward them and I only read a portion of them and I have a lot of crap on him). What if he continues this double life and gives me some V.D. or something. I am so grossed out now over what I have read. I don't even want him kissing the kids anymore,

God, finally after over 3 months he finally verbally agrees to try for us. This happens on the day that I find out the physical deeds he's done. Is it even possible to get over these feelings of being grossed out?

Do I dare put myself into this vulnerable position again? Do I want to be hurt this badly again? I thought this is what I wanted, now I am not too sure.

Help me sort out my thoughts. I have another post Whaler and believer were helping me on called "I think I am folding" in this forum.

Well you are here at marriagebuilders, so why not work the program here? It requires light to be shined on the A. Is the OW married? I would start with her H.

Then I would put some boundaries in place. WH needs to give you his password, and have NC with OW. That means either he quits or she does. Tell him to make his choice.

How long have you been in Plan A? I know you want to keep the house. Did you ever see a lawyer about financial issues?

Dear M,

Sorry that the actual situation is as bad, or worse, than you actually feared. I can't claim to have known, pretty much all I remember saying is not to go by what H was saying about admitted EA.

I would like to add emphasis to what Believer already said, about getting legal advice and finding out more about OW and her husband.

In my last post I suggested that the future opinions of your daughters could be a motivating factor for H doing the right thing. You might use that critera in your discussions of your current options.

One option is to disclose the PA to others, or to withhold disclosure. It may be improper or illegal to view, copy or save a spouse's E-mails, which were protected by a code. You should get legal advice on the money issues as well.

In terms of disclosure of A to others, you might bring your daughter's reputation up in the discussion. By H having an EA or PA, he brings dishonor to the reputation and trustworthiness of his daughters. If a young lady's father was an extravagant philanderer, it may well give pause to a prospective suitor, on the reasonable expectgation of the daughter remaining fathful. You might mention that you are hesitating to disclose H's misdeeds for the sake of his daughter's reputation.

You also might be careful about a decision to mention a PA, although you may know for sure yourself, having proof that will hold up in court, where others have a vested interest to lie, may create a difficult situation. A lawyer could advise you on how things can backfire, even if you know you are actually in the right.

You can still discuss the issues, without asserting that a PA has occured. Saying that a PA has occurred, may have a number of legal ramifications for the person making the assertion.

Blessings

I spoke to my lawyer yesterday. He says I can only disclose the info. to family. I can't go to his bosses/superiors. He said that would backfire on me. Detriment of character, risk of him being fired.

I am going to lawyer#3 today to compare what each has to say. H claims he went to a top notch lawyer that costs $6000.00 and his lawyer said I had better get one that costs at least that much to get a fighter like him. (I know, don't even listen to him, he didn't make sense), but I told him that's fine because he is going to be the one who ends up paying for my lawyer too <img border="0" title="" alt="[Razz]" src="images/icons/tongue.gif" /> Both lawyers I spoke to said my H would be paying for part or all of my legal fees. <img border="0" title="" alt="[Eek!]" src="images/icons/shocked.gif" />

As far as H giving me his passwords, that will not do any good. Today with the "miracle" of the internet he can just go a create other accounts keeping them hidden from me like he has done in the past over a year. Thanks to the internet, phone cards, cell phones, pagers, it is so easy to lead a double life and I know my H agreed to reconciliation only because of what I have against him.

See, I have what I wanted, him to agree to try and I am still not happy and that's because I know his motive now. B4 I had no idea how deep he was. This is harder than one girl. My H is the master of lies and deceit. He kept this second life hidden from me for over a year and it still would have been hidden if it weren't for him to come to me crying on 1/06. He blew his own whistle.

I was thinking of sending an email to all these woman (I have a copy of his address book), could anyone point me in the direction of what I should say? That's my big question now. THANKS EVERYONE.

actually I think you should encourage your husband to send NC letters to all these women,
if he is serious about wanting to try he will do this. He needs to give you the password to his email account, he needs to write the NC letter (one that you have read and approved of) and together he needs to send an email to each of those women. You may wish to think about telling OW's husband too - if the husband knows there's a good chance it will all end. Be strong - good luck sandy

Dear M,

Along the lines of what Sandy suggested, that H be the one to send the No Contact letter, might be the bettter way to go.

Boundaries in Marriage recommends defining which spouse has the problem, as that is clear who should solve the problem. Further, if the non-offending spouse tries to solve the other spouse's problem, this is a resscue, and messes up the healthy boundaries of the marriage. First, be a boundary loving spouse.

Certainly there are times when a rescue of a spouse from the troubles he created is appropriate. In this case, your husband needs to be a big part of the solution, so your rescuing him does not seem productive of a real solution here, now.

If you feel you want to send a letter to the other women, you might say, "I am M, wife of H, and I am interested in working out any marital problems with H, and we are in counseling. I am committed to continue counseling. H and I have two daughters who I am trying to raise in as respectable a manner as I can, in the interests of their future moral outlook. To the extent that you can encourage H to best honor the dignity of our marriage, I am sure our daughters would be grateful. If you have any questions or suggestions for me please feel free to contact me at ....."

Avoid anything like a threat. Avoid any information for which you do not have certified court evidence, with several non-biased witnesses. Avoid over-reaching. Ask for help, but avoid giving an instruction. Even "Please stay away from my husband" is probably too forceful, and potentially appearing as a threat.

I would still try to line up a parenting class, as the real solution to getting your marriage back on track. You have not disclosed anything that indicates that your H is so far out there that rehabilitative strategies cannont succeed. I imagaine that you are angry at his deceipt, but you have not shown me behavior that is too tricky for good programs and skilled counselors. If you can track his E-mail, you should be able to find a parenting class.

Blessings

<small>[ April 22, 2004, 08:42 PM: Message edited by: Whaler ]</small>

H claims he went to a top notch lawyer that costs $6000.00
FYI:
$6000 is probably the ESTIMATED cost for a "standard" divorce that goes right through and has very few problems. It may also simply be the retainer to hire the lawyer.

Lawyers charge by the hour.
As soon as you start asking them to do any work outside of filing papers and doing basic research and info gathering, you WILL pay much more.
So if he says it will cost $6000 and you need "a fighter", be prepared to end up paying 3-4 times that much.

Dear M,

Chris-CA is correct that it is easy to run up a bill of $50,000.00 in legal fees and Private Investigator fees for contesting issues in a divorce. To contest each issue in a divorce, a separate motion is often filed and a separate hearing is held on that issue.

Chris's Signature had a reference to Dr. Harley's How to Create Your Own Plan to Restore Romantic Love in a Marriage. I took a few minutes to re-read the plan, myself, just now. The Plan talks about the goal of restoring Romantic Love as a first priority. Step 4 is identifying your spouse's important needs, and Step 5 is working to meet those needs.

You mentioned that you are working on avoiding rolling your eyes at some of H's ideas. You have not been very clear about your identifying Emotional Needs that are imortant to H. Step 5 in restoring Romantic Love is working to implement plans to meet the spouse's needs that were identified in Step 4.

Dr. Harley recognizes the challenge for couples to work on solutions, rather than keep focusing on the conflicts and problems.

A parenting course can give you the feeling words, emtional terms, needed to communicate about each other's emotional needs, in addition to your children's needs, as well.

Blessings

<small>[ April 21, 2004, 02:59 PM: Message edited by: Whaler ]</small>

Well, just got off the phone with H. I asked him what was the sudden change of heart of working on us? He said he is sick of the fighting, going back and forth so he says I won.

He's still stuck on the whole "never in love with me" bit. He told me he knows I was in his email and they were not for my eyes to see. I only hurt myself.

When I explained to him that for us to begin recovery it would mean no contact with all these OW. He flat out refused. Says I can't control who he is friends with, blah, blah, blah...

When I asked him to recommit to the marriage, no sex with anyone else (again, and I thought that was a simple request here folks), he says we will have to wait to see what the MC says, but for now things stay the same <img border="0" title="" alt="[Mad]" src="images/icons/mad.gif" /> He's in VA for another week and a half, maybe 3 weeks.

We haven't had sex since December <img border="0" title="" alt="[Roll Eyes]" src="images/icons/rolleyes.gif" /> and I know the only reason he came to me then was we were on vacation and he was away from his girl toys. Of course I didn't know that back then...I am so grossed out now...

Word to the wise fellow BS. Now that i look back, my H started with an impotency problem (he's 36) in Dec.2002. This is when his EA/PA started. During this time H kept saying to me "It's not you baby, God, I don't know what the problem is...This is bothering me more than you know". Stupid me felt bad for the sucker, thinking to myself "this is like every guys worst nightmare and he's only 35".

I sent emails to 2 of the girls (there's a long list) that I used Whalers wording as my basis. Here it is:
Hi
My name is M I am the wife of 11-1/2 yrs to B

We are working out any marital problems and we are in counseling.

We are committed to continue counseling.

B and I have two beautiful daughters who we are trying to raise in a
respectable manner in the interests of their future moral outlook to the extent
that you can encourage B to best honor the dignity of our marriage, our
daughters and I would be grateful. As a woman, you too see the importants of
raising girls in a moral and respectable environment to insure their highest
potential of their future of being a productive mother and wife and loving human
being.

If you have any questions or suggestions for me please feel free to contact me
at this email address. If you wish to speak to me via phone, drop me a line, I
would be happy to speak with you.

Sincerely

M

What do ya think? I have a feeling H isn't going to be too happy.

Our MC is also FC. He does parenting counseling. Do you suggest maybe more of a Parenting group? Would it maybe be more fun? With my H's schedule it's hard for us to get into any set group, that's the problem.

I asked H to relocate in his job. H replied "If you do what I think you are going to do (he means tell OW boss which inturn will get to his boss) then I will be relocating, right out of a job"

I told him that I never implied I was going to do that, he put those words in my mouth, he brought it up. Again, he brought me right off the subject and we circled around every other subject and never got back. That really frustrates me because he does it all the time and does it really well. Shifting the blame into my direction. Then he turns and says I am the one who keeps digging up the past, he's sick of it, and that's why he says he'll try MC and we'll see where we go.

Dear M,

If you can get H to discuss his emotional needs, and what optins for your better meeting them, and then selecting a plan, to work together for the marriage to fulfill him, that is a more positive, doing approach.

You have a right to expect no furhter PA. You may enforce that right through a Plan B action. However, by letting the counseling work, with a goal of making your marriage work better, the PA may reduce itself. You need to assess your comfort level of what works for you. Your phraseology might be to H, "I want to hear from you how we can make this marriage work better, so that your temptation for contact with other women is redcued and eliminated."

The parenting classes I have attended usually met one night a week, for some 6 weeks. PET, Parent Effectiveness Training, might be one course. You don't have to attend all the meetings. Just register, and atttend what you can. You can call churches schools and counselors to find out how to contact class instructors, to get schedules.

It seems a significant step that H is wiling to work on the marriage. I would not pay too much attention as to why he says he changed. It may be God working. There is a spiritual aspect that keeps marriages together, beyond logic. You may be winning with persistent love and kindness, which he knows he does not deserve, at this point.

The letter I wrote for you was not really mine, but a capture, in words, of your spirit and direction. The letter is close to the formula of loving confrontation, "What can I change to make things better?" Loving confrontation avoids the idea of blame. Ordinary confrontion often suggests blame, "There is a problem, and you should change A, B and C to reduce the problem."

Blessings

<small>[ April 22, 2004, 08:05 AM: Message edited by: Whaler ]</small>

Don't waste your time sending them a letter/email. It won't do ANYTHING except get them riled up.

He said he is sick of the fighting, going back and forth so he says I won.
You reassure him it’s not a “battle” that one of you will win and one of you will lose. BOTH of you will win.

He told me he knows I was in his email and they were not for my eyes to see. I only hurt myself.
You do know this is not true, correct? You did not hurt yourself.

When I explained to him that for us to begin recovery it would mean no contact with all these OW. He flat out refused. Says I can't control who he is friends with, blah, blah, blah...
Reply, “You are right. I cannot control you and I don’t want to control you. I want us to be happy as a couple. You being with other women will not make us happy as a couple.”

We haven't had sex since December and I know the only reason he came to me then was we were on vacation and he was away from his girl toys. Of course I didn't know that back then...I am so grossed out now...
Have you get tested for STDs since then? Has he?

I sent out all the emails to the OW. I actually received 2 "thank you" emails from the girls, very supportive.

I sent the email + a personal email to the OW he fell in love with. She called me right away and we had a nice long talk. She said PA ended late summer but my H pursued her until 1/05 (day b4 Dday). She was very apologetic, says husband portrayed me to be a monster, that our marriage was a disaster from day 1, says my H played victim to her and now she feels conned. She is furious at my H! She said to me that my H contacted her Tues night (this is the day I broke into his email) and told her I broke into his email. She says she yelled at him and told him he is stupid to throw his family life away. She said that my H seems to want to work on things with us now.

I went to MC today alone (H is still away). My MC commended the way I have been handling everything and admires my logic and actions I have taken. ( LET'S SHOW A ROUND OF APPLAUSE FOR MB SITE AND PEOPLE WHO TAUGHT ME
He especially liked the wording of the email to the OW <img border="0" title="" alt="[Wink]" src="images/icons/wink.gif" /> Thanks for the heads up Whaler, Job well done.

Right now, while my H is away, I am going to not get into any relationship talks. I will be emailing him before he comes home my strict, non negotiable bounderie of NC with other woman and for faithfulness. Any suggestions for wording this email? He's also into internet relationships on his laptop. Any suggestions for ending that?

After that email is sent, the fate of my marriage basically lies in my H's hands. Emotionally I have grown, my MC definately took notice today. I am ready to put full effort into healing our marriage, but I am also emotionally ready for us to go our seperate ways. It's a strange place where I sit today versus where I sat 3 months ago. I don't feel helpless and hopeless anymore. The tears don't flow as I type now.

If you could help me with wording for the boundery email to H I would appreciate it.

Sounds like you are doing fine. Hang in there.

Dear M,

Glad you are holding up well, under this difficult situation. I will try to think of some wording on boundries.

Right now, I am thinking about what I had said some time ago, in a new context. Boundaries means that you have the wherewithal to change your own situation, as necessary to extablish and enforce your bounadries. I mentioned a Woman's shelter, the Salvation Army, other options for you to seek immediate refuge if things seem to get out of hand.

I am glad you seem to be in good spirits, but I just put up caution, to get prepared for your feelings, or his, to go South, Quick. Your animals that you care for may give you hesitation to grab the girls and head out. Is ther any advance planning of options for having the animals cared for for a few days by a neighbor, or vet, if you have to cut out? Any other options for the animals? You menitoned fire arms in the house. Is there a locked cabinet? Are there options for having the firearms located ouside the house? One surpising point of contention in many divorces is often what happens to the gun collection?

You have time. I am just asking you to plan ahead. Hopefully things will go smoothly, but over-confidence is dangerous. You have said nice things about my help in this situation, but I know how wrong I can be sometimes, also.

Your husband playing the victim role is interesting. Cloud was distinguishing between a situation in which a person is an actual victim; and the personality trait of character, where the individual sees himself as a victim, in nealry every situation. They called such a person Dr. Frankenstien, because some people create their own problems, just as Dr. Frankenstein created his elixors to change personalities.

Blessings

<small>[ April 22, 2004, 08:53 PM: Message edited by: Whaler ]</small>

I know I seem optimistic. Trust me, there's a great deal of doubt in my mind and I am aware that things can go south quickly.

If I keep the negative emotions then my H will sense them. I have no choice but to make myself vulnerable one more time but keep in the back of my mind what could happen.

Firearms are locked away. In the event of a divorce he can have them except for one that he did buy me many years ago. We live in a rural area where coy-dogs and bears have been sighted in our yard, that's the only reason I would keep one.

Since this has happened it seems the world has opened their arms to my girls and I, I have many places to go to seek refuge if the need arises. And I have great neighbors to care for my animals.

the individual sees himself as a victim, in nealry every situation Very interesting. I have always said that my H will try to make himself look good in everyone's eyes no matter the situation. I always dealt with it back then.

I told the MC yesterday that I keep trying to help my H to not make mistakes. I feel like I am his protector now. MC said something that hit home, he said "You and him need to own your own monkeys". Meaning we need to own our mistakes and consequences and our triumphs to feel the real value of them.

I await the help with boundery wording letter. Thanks again

Dear M,

Many of the ideas I have presented to you are on the video, Boundaries in Marriage, $66.00 from Walmart.com. I think that pruchase, which includes the Instructors Guide, the Participant's Guide and the book, is an essential investment for you. If your credit cards are run up, can you get your Mom or someone to get the kit for you?

From what you have related, you are being less than up-front with H about your ideas of boundaries, and the consequences you intend to implement, and Cloud would classify that as controlling behavior. Cloud recommends Loving Confrontation, to work on boundaries. I suggest that you find more ways to be more up-front, or confronatational, with H. My wife and I watched the boundaries video again last night, going to sleep. We start the video at successive lessons, so we are still awake for a few more lessons.

The principles in the Boundaries in Marriage video, and books, allow you to apply your feelings to the situation at hand. You are probably disappointed that H has refused to agree to stop seeing other women. Certainly, that is the optimal goal. But the fact that H has refused to so agree, to me, indicates that he is not excessively deceiptful or sneaky, such that he would be difficult to work with. An excessivly deceptive person would agree to stop, but just continue, only with increased steps to avoid discovery.

Most of us who post here, do not really lay out our own faults, that we could improve on. I ordinarily post conflicts with my wife in a way to get supportive comments from others, for my perspective.

After you see what you can be more up-front about with H, you can look at workable consequences. You have not really listed out your possible consequences that can be implemented in an up-front manner. Some actions you have taken recently are probably pre-emptive actions, to preserve the interests of yourself and your daughters. You are taking actions, that you anticipate your husband will be angry about, when he finds out. That is not the ideally up-front, or loving confrontational approach. Speak to lawyers sooner, now, so you can get all the pre-emptive actions you need to take, out of the way. Shortly, if not now, try to talk to H first, then implement consequences, if clearly delineated behaviors are not met. You have implemented consequences, but not in an up-front, boundary loving, manner

You could say to H, for instance, "I am considering a second E-mail to the OW's. How do you think it should read? Are there ideas I should consider from your perspective? Is there anything you want to try to straighten out first?" Sending the second E-mail can probably be delayed for some time, with minimal loss of effect. Avoiding revenge, retaliation, and retribution will avoid the appearance of manipulation. Openly discussing your plans with H, as much ahead of time as possible, will also avoid the appearance of manipulation. Bringing up your second E-mail to OW's, could create a context for a positive conversation, about the issues at hand. By speaking about upcoming issues, before either of you reacts to an unexpected discovery, the cycle of a downward spiral of retirbution for retribution can be reversed.

Cloud and Townsend describe controlling approaches to marriage as preventing your spouse from loving you. In order to love, your spouse must be free to love you. If you are manipulating your spouse, then the spouse is not free to love you. The analogy they give is that God gave us the freedom to not love God. We can choose to make God-loving decisions, of free will. To be loved, we must give love away. Boundaries are important to separate out what is manipulation, and what is love. Manipulation, or controlling, builds resentment, which reduces love and trust.

Your MC comment that you need to own your own monkeys, means you need the Boundaries video. You also need to be willing to share the info on Boundaries Principles with H. Some of the things you are doing, are behind-the-scenes things. You and H need to get up-front with each other. What are your plans for handling erectile dysfunction? Cloud says that lack of intimacy can be the result of a reduced level of trust, which can result from a spouse using non-confrotational mehtods for negotiating marital issues. Trust is decreased if a spouse is not maximizing loving confrontational approaches. What Emotional needs do you want to put on Hold? What are your conditions for re-establishing being wiling to meet various emotional needs for H?

I promised to give you ideas for your boundaries letter. I have thought about how to word such a leter. I am welching on the deal, because I see a lot of issues that need to be sorted out. I don't see a simplistic letter being able to address all the inter-twined issues.

One rule I try to follow with women I talk to in social settings, is that I avoid telling them anything negative about my wife. Your husband has been telling OW's that you are less than perfect. You might ask H to follow my rule, of not saying anything negative about his wife. That avoids OW from thinking that she is helping a helpless victim. It is Noble to help a true victim. Ask H to start acting like a fortunate person. If he thinks of something negative to tell another woman, have him commit to come talk to you about that complaint. There is another part of the Equation. You have to be willing to listen without anger, to his complaints, and to change your boundaries, and behavior and ideas, if you can reasonably accommodate his wishes.

To summarize, I would feel much better if you could post that you have gotten the Boundaries Video kit on order from walmart.com.

Blessings

<small>[ April 24, 2004, 05:13 PM: Message edited by: Whaler ]</small>