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#474312 09/23/04 01:54 PM
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I mean, what do I do? I found out my W had a PA with another man. Plan B seems harsh, moving out, and Plan A is out of the question since if I don't say anything to he she plans on sneaking off to spend the night with him this Sat.

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MIF I am very sorry you find yourself in this situation <img border="0" title="" alt="[Frown]" src="images/icons/frown.gif" /> many of us have been there and we know how desperate it is for you.

Some good news is that you are in the right place here at MB to begin to recover your life and your relationship. You may want to use the busier 'General Questions II' forum though.

One big thing to realise is that short of locking up your WW, you cannot actually STOP her from continuing the affair BUT the affair is likely to end soon anyway.

If you DID lock her up this would certainly only temporarily halt the affair until you let her go.

Plan A is the most counter-intuitive behaviour on the planet but it has been proven to work in thousands of relationships over the years the Harleys have been counselling.

Look here http://www.marriagebuilders.com/graphic/mbi8113_ab.html
for a summary of plan A , then search on this forum for posts by Ark, Worthatry and other wise heads that explain far better than I can about Plan A.

If all this sounds 'not enough' remember it took a while for your M to hit a spot where an affair happened, you will not fix it by Saturday night.

The GOOD news is you can start Plan A'ing right away !

Be calm, and try to choke down the panic and hurt you feel. Then say to your WW something like this I told my FWW :

" I want very much to work on our marriage, as I recognice that although I'm not responsible for your infidelity, I played a part in the state of our marriage.

However before we can work on our marriage, the affair must end and you must never gain have contact with the man.

When you see him or contact him you knowingly twist a knife in my heart AND you deliberately prevent work on our M recovery from beginning.

I will not pysically stop you from continuing the affair, because I love you and would not have you SHACKLED to our marriage, but instead staying within by choice. Just know that you are deeply and deliberatly hurting and humiliating someone who loves you very much by contacting the OM."

Then, whatever her response, hunker down to making your home and your life a welcoming place for her to return to.

STUDY, do not just read the case studies on here. I will include a post of my own regarding plan A here to start you off.

All blessings to you, and know you CAN RESCUE your marriage using MB !

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* Your instinct as a BS is to be angry, indignant, sad, fearful, reactionary etc and no-one could blame you. However actions supporting these emotions will REINFORCE the fantasy in your WS warped mind that you are a worse bet as a life partner than the OP and that the A was justified.

* You may feel 'better' by venting, doing the vengeance dance etc, but this will almost certainly fatally break your relationship.

* Plan A is a carefully calculated response to the fact of an affair that recognises the strengths and weaknesses of the BS position at this time, and who wants to save their M. It is NOT instinctive, in fact it is counter-intuitive, but it works if adhered to. To use MaddyKs analogy :scratching poison ivy rash feels SO GOOD but causes nothing but grief. Instinct does not always help in complex situations.

* FACT a BS cannot directly stop an affair unless they kill or kidnap one or both infidels, and thats not usually recommended by MC

* FACT NEITHER is a BS as helpless as they think they are, and has an armoury of weapons to use. Plan A bundles these for use in a proven strategy.

* Plan A recognises the uncomfortable reality that although the BS is IN NO WAY responsible for the A and that an A is NEVER JUSTIFIED or OK the BS HAS contributed to the marital environment being ripe for an A. This is a major thing to choke down for most BS ( it was for me!) , but its also a major enabler to recovery. Once you know what broke in YOU you can start fixing it.

* Using tools such as exposure the affairs bindings can be exposed to the light. Typically A's only make sense in a by-the-hour highway motel for two hours at a time when only the lying infidels listen to each others fog drivel and 'lets pretend' sex. Exposure to OPs significant other, and carefully targeted family and friends and colleagues forces this shaky, sex-justfying bag of fluff to the scrutiny of the real world. In MOST cases, the bindings disappear like vampires in the sun leaving the infidels 'love affair' looking like the tawdry, cowardly alternative to fixing a flagging marriage that it truly is.
And YES exposing is counter intuitive too, but it WORKS !! see now ?

* So when the A is exposed as a shabby thing, Plan A also makes sure that you, the BS have ALREADY and PROACTIVELY recognised the failings in your behaviour and demeanour that led to the marriage flagging and made a start at fixing them. You have also patently disarmed your WS by not being violent, disrespectful, unforgiving nor any of the other things that they expected and FEARED you would be. In fact you raised your game SIGNIFICANTLY as spouse material and they begin to notice it, really.

* WSs fear that with the death of the A, they have no safe place to go, not the OP and certainly not home to face the judgment and wrath of the BS they have hurt do much....except the BS has done everything possible to provide a place of calm safety for the WS to return to. My own FWW thought it was a trick! She couldn't believe the loving and non-hudgmental "nest" I'd made for her when she felt she deserved it so little...through Plan A I'm a better Dad than I've been in years, a better listener and more thoughtful of my FWWs needs. Plus MUCH slimmer, fitter and more buff ( GgrrrrOOOWWWLLLLL ! )

* SOME A's bindings are stronger than others and SOME WSs find it harder than others to return home, so plan A may not always work at killing the A and providing a sanctuary for the WS to recover in. Thats when plan B kicks in. Plan B REMOVES the sanctuary , love , forgiveness and support so carefully built and demonstrated in PLAN A from the WS. You do a good plan A and you will be REALLY missed, while OM looks everyday more like the unreliable, lying betrayers they always are.

* See how it works ? By choosing to lay down your righteous indignation in plan A you are in NO WAY a doormat any more than spying for the Allies made brave intelligence folks in WW2 Nazis. You are bravely and deliberately overruling your primal instinct in support of the marriage God gave you and you gave to God and each other.

* STUDY(not just read) SAA, HN/HN , this site, the old heads stories and become aware of the dynamics of affairs. Deconstruct your own situation and apply the principles to it. Knowledge is power. Understand that affairs are JUST LIKE medical conditions, the symptoms, prognosis and cure are all utterly predictable in most cases. Your sitch feels unique BUT IT AIN'T ! THIS STUFF HAS WORKED FOR THOUSANDS OF COUPLES IN EXACTLY YOUR SITCH !

* Finally I have said before that Plan A is a heroes gig and I still think so. For a 'silverback' like me the easy way is to go crashing around hitting people , suing people and making lives bad. Instinct isn't bravery.

Bravery is doing what is needed, however uncomfortable, frightening and counter-instuitive to rebuild a stable loving platform for all involved in the mess of an affair.

Even if Plan A and Plan B doesn't recover your M , it will leave you a much more "examined" person able to move on in life and not repeat the errors that contributed to the problems in the M.


I hope I have helped explain my take on Plan A. And to close, Plan A has worked UP THE WAZOO for us so far so I'm not talking theory.
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<small>[ September 24, 2004, 02:07 AM: Message edited by: Bob Pure ]</small>

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Thanks Bob, it certainly does seem counter-intuitive. I feel like my W will suspect something or think I am not being genuine when I do these things. I guess, it's what I have always felt about her, but for whatever reason wasn't doing/showing. I read your thread in the No news is good news thread and it gave me hope that there is light at the end of the tunnel.

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MIF, do not adopt any behaviours that you cannot or will not retain. Plan A is about fixing stuff in YOU that was uniquely noticed by your WS.
When my FWW asked "what the hell are you doing?" I'd say " Well, I recognise that I did some stuff really badly in our M and I want to put them right now , forever. When you can talk to me, I want to to help me fix other stiff that is important to you, and maybe we can BOTH do that."

Your WS WILL suspect something's up, and it IS : you're making painful efforts to fix YOU.

And yes, Plan A worked brilliantly for us, but only because I became a STUDENT of MB. You have to do it all properly, not just bits. The wise head folks on here will help you wonderfully if you really LISTEN To them. I struggled with SO MUCH MB stuff, but wise heads patiently made sure I UNDERSTOOD.

And really, MIF, MB works brilliantly. I was suicidal and my FWW was in a very passionate and intractable affair thrteen weeks ago. Tonight she seduced me and told me she has never loved anyone more than me and she wants to do anything necessary to make our M better than it ever was to 'spite the lying OM'.

Don't get better than that, b'ra ! <img border="0" title="" alt="[Smile]" src="images/icons/smile.gif" />

All blessings. Stick with it.

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MIF, I have to wholeheartedly agree with Bob. I'm in Plan A right now, and often times it s**ks. Just like Bob said, it is a "heroes gig." The heroes gig though, if done with courage and character, can have a profound effect on M reconciliation. My wife commented last Sunday that she and the OM were totally caught off guard and surprised by how I handled the revelation of the affair and its aftermath. That was a good thing thanks to MB.

My WW is still in email contact with the OM. The EA was mostly fantasy on her part as she in gave the OM a lot of positive attributes he didn't actually possess. The PA lasted only a couple of days while I was out of town. The OM lives literally on the other side of the world which helps tremendously right now. That aside, her continued contact with him is very painful, but I honestly believe her feelings for him are diminishing. He has made substantial deposits into her emotional account over the past year, but at the rate he has been withdrawing them lately I believe he will be history within the six months from D-Day (1 Aug 04).

Bob, I have to offer you a heartfelt thanks. Two days ago I thought I had enough with her contact with the OM even though she is continually disappointed with each conversation,(I know this because she is trying to be accountable and realizes she isn't doing a very good job of initiating NC so she tells me when they have had contact. Almost every time now he sticks his foot in his mouth. I almost leap for joy on each occassion, but outwardly I just give that 'hmm, that's too bad he treats you so poorly look') but I read your post above to MIF and was reminded I am in a marathon, not a sprint. I have done a lot to create a safe haven for my wife and make the necessary changes in me and she recognizes it. My wife, like yours I believe, is going through a period where she wants to make sure it is all real and not a trick. I have followed the MB guidance as close as I can and it is working, it just requires patience. I am confident we will come out of this with a wonderful marriage, but right now I am paying my dues for allowing things to get so far out of control in our marriage by not meeting my wife's emotional needs. Hang in there MIF!! You too Bob!!

God Bless,

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Zoomie, love and MB is like an infectious disease on here - once-broken hearted folks just naturally pass on stuff to help expedite other folks who are behind us on the pain scale.

Zoomie, the suspicion is real in my FWWs case and I suspect in yours too !My FWW told me she expected an deserved to get an ice pick in the head or at least a dirty divorce, yet she gets empathy, sympathy, care and security.

BTW she trusts me now, and knows its not a trick.

She told me that she is 'in awe' of my love for her and my strength by being able to do Plan A when she was so spiteful.

We're probably going to be OK, zoomie and MIF, and its largely thanks to MB and these brilliant folks.

I am glad my stuff helped you. Please read the wise heads posts though, from worthatry, and Ark for example who are plan A experts.

I'm no expert. I just know plan A won me my baby back <img border="0" title="" alt="[Big Grin]" src="images/icons/grin.gif" /> * grin!*

All blessings to you both and your spouses.

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What are you doing to ensure that you won't revert back to your old ways? I went through some tough times in the past and went into plan A about a year ago. My problem was that after 3-4 months or so things started getting better and I reverted back to my pre-plan A self and things naturally slipped back to worse than they were, and that's where I am currently at. My W did say to me the other day that this is how she wishes I had always been (the plan A MiF). I am trying to figure out a way to keep that up. Believe it or not things already seem to be improving, I just want it to continue that route.

MiF?

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MIF, my plan A behaviours have really been a reversion to true type. There are no alien behaviours here. I had become a pretty poor EN meeter to my FWW.

I have deliberately not adopted any behaviour that is not sustainable to me.

For example I have spent most of my life fit and sporty. Getting more attractive, and dressing better is a reversion to the Bob my FWW married, not an alien thing.

Same with domestic support. I was filling the dishwasher every other day and mowing the grass and expecting thanks for it ! I have resumed the 'chores' I always used to do and enjoy ( school run, half the cooking, home improvement) much to my FWWs joy !

There are some habits I have quit too. Just guy things but I never knew they were SO despised by my FWW. Again, recent habits.

etc etc

I have a POJA with my FWW that FWW will let me know very quickly if I am slipping,and me her ! <img border="0" title="" alt="[Smile]" src="images/icons/smile.gif" />
I am sure that recovery will mean I must make other changes, but I do not fear them.

I am sure I will be challenged with uninstinctive changes as we move through recovery, but so far so good.

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