Yes, anger at yourself is normal if you assume the 50% of the relationship break down is your "lack of knowledge" or failure to read the <RED FLAGS>, then you are a responsible person, and a good person in my book.<P>I know I have a lot towards myself, unable to forgive myself, as I have given alot, and I have taken alot, but if my STBX talks her feelings, and does not use projection, I am as giving as possible. And I saw some signs, but did not think she would just quit.<P>Turns out, her family is like that, and as she gets older, she is getting more like them, which is farther away from where we were when we were married. They try something once, if it doesnot work for any reason, or they stop at the once.<P>I am angry because in the beginning I looked at the red flags, and thought they were environmentally caused, and I could fix them. I am also mad at myself, for staying years ago, before kids, when I knew something was wrong, but i assumed, or was convinced it was me. And it was just gettin gused to each other.<P>So I did everything I could except give up the activities that make me who I am, or the ones the i need for myself, like athletic competition, providing for our future, and supporting the kids athletic programs in town. <P>But most of all, i am angry at myself for not realizing the interactions of the personality types, both myself, and my STBX. I am angry in that i didn't know how to set boundaries correctly, and stick with them. I do now.<P>so I think it is normal, and that the hard time I have is that it will take along time to forgive myself, as I hardly ever fail at anything I try, not that I suceed instantly, but I don't quit until I master it, or get proficient at it. granted I am not perfect, but I am determined at whatever I set my mind to, and satisfied with the level of accomplishments that I have achieved.<P>So now i have to continue to try to accomplish the goals I thought we were heading towards, but STBX got sidetracked from. It will take time, maybe a year or two, but I don't have all that much time, as the goal was to buy a house in a neighborhood for kids to learn to go out an play with friends. If I can do that, give my kids learning situations that they will grow with, then I can forgive myself, as I will be providing them with what they need to grow up.<P>tom<BR>