1) This is it!
2) There are no hidden meanings
3) You can't get there from here, and besides, there is no place else to go.
4) We are alrady dying, and we will be dead for a lng time
5) Nothing Lasts
6) There is no way of getting all you want
7) You can't have anything unless you let go of it.
8) You only get to keep what you give away
9) There is no particular reason why you lost out on some things
10) The world is not necessarily just Being good often does not pay off and there is no compensation for misfortune
11) You have a responsibility to doyour best nonetheless
12) It is a random universe to which we bring meaning
13) You can't really control anything
14) You can't make anyone love you.
15) No one is any strong or weaker than anyone else
16) Everyone is, in his own way, vulnerable
17) There are no gret men
18) If you have a hero, look again: you have diminished yourself in some way.
19) Everyone lies, cheats, pretends (yes, you too, and most certainly I myself)
20) Allevil is potential vitality in need of transformation.
21) All of you is worht something, if you will only own it.
22) Progress is an illusion
23) Evil can be displaced, but never eradicated, as all solutions breed new problems.
24) yet it is necessasry to keep on struggling toward solution
25) Childhood is a nightmare
26) But it is so very hard to be an
on-yoiur-own, take-care-of-yourself-cause-there-is-no-one-else-to-do-it-for-you
grown up.
27) Each of us is ultimately alone
28) The most important things, wach man must do for himself
29) Love is not enough, but it sure helps
30) We have only ourselves, and one another. That may not be much, but that's all there is.
31) How strange, that so often, it all seems worth it.
32) We must live within the ambiguity of partial freedom, partial power and partial knowledge.
33) All important decisions must be made of the basis of insufficient data.
34) Yet we are responsible for everything we do.
35) No excuses will be accepted
36) You can run, but you can't hide
37) It is most important to run out of scapegoats
38) We must learn the power of living with our helplessness
39) The only vistory lies in surrender to oneself.
40) All of the significant battles are waged within the self.
41) You are free to do whatever you like. You need to only face the consequences.
42) What do you know. . . for sure. . . anyway?
43) Learn to forgive yourself, again and again, and again and again. . . .

Wiftty...<p>Great list! How did you come up with it all?<p>"26) But it is so very hard to be an on-yoiur-own, take-care-of-yourself-cause-there-is-no-one-else-to-do-it-for-you grown up."<p>It sure is!<p>Gayle<p>P.S. While I'm stopping by, Happy Birthday wishes your way!?!? Don't remember the date, I think I remember that you are an Aries!?!? [img]images/icons/wink.gif" border="0[/img]

Aries, yes, close, the second week of april . . .<p>how are you? I haven't seen you around here for along time. . . . aren't you getting married again, or something very MB-like?<p>wiftty!

Good list, but if you ever write it out again make sure you give my dad credit for #14, and you have to add a long sigh and "Oh Beth," in front of it...<p>14) You can't make anyone love you.<p>I bet he didn't make it up, but he sure does say it an awful lot.<p>Elizabeth

Hi again Tom!<p>Your b'day is in the second week of April, at least I was close! My son's b'day is April 23rd. My goodness, that was 28 years ago, YIKES! My dad was an Aries, my best friend is an Aries, she's my 180!<p>Yep, I recieved a beautiful diamond ring 12/18/01. A total surprise, meaning he picked it out by himself and bought it while I was at my grandson's church Christmas program. I had no idea! I later found out he had called and asked my daughter's permission to place it on my hand and ask for my hand in marriage! [img]images/icons/wink.gif" border="0[/img] There is no date set and that's ok with me, I like how my life is evolving, slow and steady.<p>You are seeing someone too, as I recall? How is that going?<p>Anyhoooo....Happy Birthday, Happy Easter, Happy Life! <p>Gayle<p>P.S. I still like the list on your thread, I'm bumping it to the top!

Hi gayle,<p>congratulations on the ring!<p>the list came from the psychotherapy book:<p>"If you meet the buddha on the road, kill him!"
by sheldon Kopp. . . . great book,<p>a required read in some master's counseling programs. . . . very well writtn, and it was
written 30 years ago. . . .<p>oh, and i will be out your way this summer with a two week RV trip planned with the kids. . . just close enough to nebraska to see it in the distance, but your basic denver to mt rushmore to yellowstone to utah back to denver trip. . . .<p>hey, i heard this rumor, maybe the third time's a charm, what do you think?<p>wiftty

Sorry to hone in, but....<p>Yeppers, third times the charm!!! [img]images/icons/grin.gif" border="0[/img]

Medic, hmmmmm, are you ahead of Ragamuffin? [img]images/icons/confused.gif" border="0[/img] Do I sense there are secrets here? [img]images/icons/confused.gif" border="0[/img] Things that no one is telling? [img]images/icons/confused.gif" border="0[/img] Questions being evaded? (Though not by Ragamuffin - seems she's answered a few.) [img]images/icons/confused.gif" border="0[/img] Tom, Tim, this ENFP wants to hear the scoops. [img]images/icons/wink.gif" border="0[/img]

"Yeppers, third times the charm!!! "<p>Gotta tell ya Cinderella, tis my third time. <p>1st: Married high school sweetheart. Only guy I ever dated, I was a virgin [img]images/icons/shocked.gif" border="0[/img] Divorced 23 years ago, kids 28 and 25.<p>2nd: Remarried 1986, I threw in the towel in 1998. Found out after leaving he cheated from one month after marriage throughout the marriages fraudulant title. (lot's of emotional abuse) Cried, died inside, felt like a fool, picked the pieces of Gayle up and here I am and it didn't kill me!<p>There's a couple of my "eternal truths".<p>Now back to Cinderella's question:<p>"Tom, Tim, this ENFP wants to hear the scoops."<p>Your turn!!!!!!!!!!!!! <p>Gayle<p>[ March 30, 2002: Message edited by: Ragamuffin ]</p>

"oh, and i will be out your way this summer with a two week RV trip planned with the kids. . . just close enough to nebraska to see it in the distance, but your basic denver to mt rushmore to yellowstone to utah back to denver trip. . . ."<p>I meant to respond to this too! Sounds like a wonderful time! So you can't take a detour, come sit on the porch, watch the corn grow with the aroma of cow droppings lingering in the air and sip on a cold one???<p>Just read the thread to you. I'm with you on your parenting! <p>Happy Bunny Day!<p>Gayle<p>[ March 31, 2002: Message edited by: Ragamuffin ]</p>

Gayle, drats & double drats. <p>Now that these men think we're interested in hearing their tales, they won't tell us. We'll have to act like we don't care and then the truth might eek out of them.

Ok, Jane-Elise,<p>You dragged it out of me. Gina and I are planning on getting M in the spring of 2003. It was the only season left [img]images/icons/smile.gif" border="0[/img] With her one M and my two, we took up the rest of the seasons. Yes, she will be my 3rd W. [img]images/icons/shocked.gif" border="0[/img] We are busy fixing up the house and life should be back to normal soon. I'm not getting any younger, but, we don't want to rush into the M. Life is great!!! And I still have that red fingernail.<p>Her kids, brothers and parents seem to like me [ they think I'm funny] as well as my two boys like G and her kids. Kinda like a Brady Bunch only minus two kids and the maid. <p>So, that's pretty much the scoop. So... what about this Diplomat from Far away? Your turn!!!<p>Zippy the Pinhead.

He's a guy I met nearly 2 years ago. About the time I first started dating for the first time since my divorce. He's just a guy. My mom likes him. My children like him. His parents like me. His children like me. My cats like him. But there are no plans. None. Don't talk about it. It would be easier if he lived closer - but, on the other hand, it might be more difficult. We do our best not to talk about the "L" word.

Ah, do I know him? I'm thinking someone specific that I may have met awhile back. You can tell me, I'm a doctor, ok, so I play one on TV.<p> It's good to know the cats like him, that's important. I know about that "L" word. Man, I looked like this the first time G said it to me. [img]images/icons/shocked.gif" border="0[/img] She let it slip one night when we were on the phone. That threw me for a loop. I guess that I figured a hot short blonde wouldn't be interested in me [bad flash back from Valerie days] But, go figure?<p>When is the next Nville excursion?

<blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><hr> So you can't take a detour, come sit on the porch, watch the corn grow with the aroma of cow droppings lingering in the air and sip on a cold one??? <hr></blockquote><p>you know, that sounds so, . . . so, . . . . so,<p>i don't have the words for it! [img]images/icons/shocked.gif" border="0[/img]

Zippy, I am not one to play kiss and tell. You have all you're going to get from me.<p>But we haven't heard anything about my question from WIFTTy. I bet he's made the whole story up - he won't confess it here - just hinted about it somewhere else.