take your two kids camping to a state park at the other end of your state. . . and your 10 yo daughter brings one of her 10 yo friends. . . and you, as the parent would go on a "long" bike ride with your 13 yo son, leaving the two 10 year olds alone at the campsite?

and on top of that, let the two 10 yo's build a camp fire and try to light it while you were off riding bikes?

oh yes, and the parent in charge is an EMT and wants to be a firefighter person. . . .

it must be me, i am way too serious and responsible! has the world gone mad?

and no "I'm sorry" responses allowed! just answer the last question. . .

</font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial">Originally posted by WhenIfindthetime:
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has the world gone mad?

</strong></font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial">YES! Anymore questions....

Actually, I swear that on this issue we are living in a parallel dimension. My X, an EMT, now shacking up with her EMT instructor, left our children alone in a wide variety of situations last year for a combined total of 22.5 days. But yes, I&#8217;m the crazy one for letting my 9 yo sit in the front seat in a car that has airbags.

Bill

Can I also assume this event was in AZ, CO or CA?
Did you need to ask given that the Arizona fire was started by a fireman who wanted extra hours?

The camper parent is nuts!! I guess I wouldn't be letting them go camping again. I really can't believe this.....especially with everything that has been on the news. Not to mention the fact that they could have wandered off and got lost.

You are not crazy.......you are responsible.

Hey sWIFTTy...

Long time no talk to! Eergh! That would be maddening! What was she thinking? And how do you enter into this discussion with her letting her know your concerns?

Ciao,
Nicole

</font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial"> What was she thinking? </font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial"> she can't and she doesn't!

First, I told 10 yo d that she should never start a fire without a parent present, and she is not old enough and does not know how to handle a fire emergency. . . she agreed. . .

I told X this morning what 10 yo daughter had told me, andthen told her i think that she can do much better than that and just walked away. . .

oh, and I re wrote a more pointed letter on email, and copied my lawyer. . . not blind copy, but addressed first to him. . . .

before this, she played immature and refused to tell me when and where they were going camping, so i had no way of contacting them . . like i am going to join them or something. . .

her response was, " the decree only says required if out of state." like what's the big deal with telling me. . . I don't bug her at all. . .

finally, she has two weeks summer vacations with them, and she splits them up and she declares her summer vacation weeks individually on weeks with my weekend. . . .

arrggg. . . . i believe on of her reasons why she wanted to be divorced is that with what little POJA she allowed, I never agreed to this kind of behavior, and she was mad and got revenge through the divorce. . . .

yeah, its me, i'm whacko!

sWIFTTy

Hey Tom,
I think it's part of that "feeling free and doing anything I want" crap. I went thru that with my x too. She left our son, then 7 sleeping in the car while her and the om where shopping in a mall store. It was okay because om went back and checked on him. Not her but om.

I called Child Protective Services about it and they did not feel that was agood idea and suggested anymore of this type of things to call them. I told her I had called CPS and was she ever mad, but I made my point! You may want to do the same!

Just last week, x wanted to leave kids alone at night while she worked and then 4 days later she said they were too young to stay alone at night. I guess they regressed in 4 days!

hang in!

<small>[ July 01, 2002, 04:50 PM: Message edited by: RWD ]</small>

This sounds like negligence. And it sounds stupid, too. And I'm wondering when you draw the line and report the woman. But that would only serve to make her worse, I bet.

Probably the letter to atty was best idea. But, if I were other child's parents, I might do more. What about the Protective Services people. It would be a problem for your x if she were reported by someone else. But I doubt they'd do it.

If my 10 yr old were left alone at a campsite while the only adult in the group went on a long bike ride, I'd be livid. I'd never let my child go over there again. And I'd probably tell all my friends.

Sorry Tom,

But, you are way off on this one. Your X being an Emergency Medical Technician is prepared to hand serious burns and their treatment. A few burn sheets placed on the wounds, a lactated ringers IV running and some antibiotics, the kids would be fine. You would hardly even notice the scars after a few years.

That, and seeing as thou she is looking into a fire suppression career, I can only imagine she keeps a fire extingusher in her backpack or purse.

I can see how you are. I guess you would have a fit that I let my kids play with a gas chain saw when they were 9. Of course they had to fuel it up and start it by themselves, I can't do everything for them. <img border="0" title="" alt="[Smile]" src="images/icons/smile.gif" />

One red fingernail man here.... remember?

Hey sWIFTTy,

Really really dumb on her part. Absolutely clueless. If you could get the other parents to file a complaint with child services it might actually get you somewhere. You should file a complaint yourself anyway. One complaint might not get you anywhere (they will suspect sour grapes of non-custodial parent), but 20 complaints of this kind of behavior might spark an investigation - and it will all be on record if you ever decide to fight for custody. <img border="0" title="" alt="[Frown]" src="images/icons/frown.gif" />

My husband put our boys (4 and 5) into a tree yesterday. The youngest fell out - not hurt except scraped, but geez! <img border="0" title="" alt="[Roll Eyes]" src="images/icons/rolleyes.gif" /> I let them explore, but if they are not physically strong enough or big enough to get up in the tree by themselves, then they should not be "placed" in a tree. <img border="0" title="" alt="[Roll Eyes]" src="images/icons/rolleyes.gif" />

Some people just do not have any common sense.