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#742950 01/11/03 11:48 PM
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There are ALWAYS 2 sides of a story...there is ONLY 1 author...

Through IC, Pastoral Care and Group sessions I have ample support to abandon this forum...Thank YOU to those who have taken time to share and Deepest regrets and apologies to ALL I have offended.

#742951 01/12/03 10:46 AM
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Personally .... I hope you stay and post more. Perhaps God is offering you an opportunity to address some of your insecurities (which you mask very well BTW) without the cloak of false pride! (Believe me ... I am an expert at clinging to false pride to my own detriment)

In either case .... you depart or you stay .... God's speed.

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<small>[ January 12, 2003, 09:47 AM: Message edited by: Pepperband ]</small>

#742952 01/12/03 10:05 PM
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Catch,

We all struggle with pride everyday. Pride is the root of all sin. Even the love of money is pride. Anyone who says they don't let pride get in their way, is not being truthful with themself.All pride hurts us and our relationship with God. I am not sure what false pride is suppose to be, but all pride hurts.

Your faith our lack of faith is between you and God. Faith is something no one can take from you. I do pray you stay on the path toward the Lord. Keep seeking Him and all else will fall into place.

Anyone can change. Just look at Saul who helped to have Jesus put to death. Saul became Paul and allowed God to speak thru him to write some of the best books of the bible.

You cannot change yourself. The only changes that last come from the Lord.I pray you have changed. God changed me from the person I was before. No, I am not a wayward spouse. We All have things that Gods needs to change in us. We can't hold any one sin higher than an other.Jesus said if you break any one of the commandments you break them all.

Stand strong with the Lord. God knows your heart and He is the only one that matters.

gentle

#742953 01/13/03 12:17 AM
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I think you are very brave to work on your transgressions and marriage.Leaving this board will probably not help you much. You have to face the music some day and everybody will not be supportive of you all the time. You are feeling bad because of some negative posts about you but please think how your wife felt when you cheated on her.You cannot expect her to forget everything, no self respecting woman can do that easily. Like I said before I reconciled with my soon 2BX several times. He kept making the same mistakes over and over again (his problem was verbal and emotional abuse). Eventually I ended up losing many years of my life. You have to prove to Free that you will not do this again if you want her back. You will have to work very hard at this and be humble about it as well. She will not and cannot respond positively to negative remarks from you. Remember you are the one needing forgiveness not her.
God blees
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#742954 01/13/03 07:46 AM
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Catch, Be careful about falling into the same trap that many addicts in recovery fall into when they at first find a little recovery (or Christianity). These scriptures speak volumes to how your wife experiences your change so far:
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Matthew 7: 16-23
16 Ye shall know them by their fruits. Do men gather grapes of thorns, or figs of thistles?
17 Even so every good tree bringeth forth good fruit; but a corrupt tree bringeth forth evil fruit.
18 A good tree cannot bring forth evil fruit, neither can a corrupt tree bring forth good fruit.
19 Every tree that bringeth not forth good fruit is hewn down, and cast into the fire.
20 Wherefore by their fruits ye shall know them.
21 Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven.
22 Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name done many wonderful works?
23 And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity. </font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial">It's easy to say the words, but you have not given your tree the time to grow good fruit after a life-time in your marriage of growing evil fruit. You want your wife to understand that the tree has changed. But there is no harvest yet. She has heard "words" before, only to have her heart broken again and again. So if you truly have the love of God in your heart, you will have compassion upon her and not expect her to go anywhere near the tree to even find out if the fruit has changed.

So you must resign yourself to the possibility of losing everything that you love - it's beyond your control and into God's hands now; so let your Christianity be a work of faith, not of words. Remember this scripture as you do:

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Romans 8: 28
And we know that all things work together for good to them that love God, to them who are the called according to his purpose. </font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial">The words of James are quite telling, to those who like to talk the talk, but not walk the walk.

</font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial">James 2: 17-20
17 Even so faith, if it hath not works, is dead, being alone.
18 Yea, a man may say, Thou hast faith, and I have works: shew me thy faith without thy works, and I will shew thee my faith by my works.
19 Thou believest that there is one God; thou doest well: the devils also believe, and tremble.
20 But wilt thou know, O vain man, that faith without works is dead?</font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial">You see, talk's cheap. And God Himself is offended by those who speak His words, but do not His works.

I knew my husband had finally reached a point of recovery when he no longer asked me to "cut him some slack" or notice how changed he was. Instead, he let his works speak to me. In my mind, his heart was a reflection of his actions, NOT his words.

<small>[ January 13, 2003, 06:50 AM: Message edited by: KaylaAndy ]</small>

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oops - double post, got carried away by all the buttons! <img border="0" title="" alt="[Big Grin]" src="images/icons/grin.gif" />

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