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So my divorce is just shy of one year ago now. I had posted a few times about it. Lessee, to sum up: new this girl in college, was best friends with her, watched her go through a string of abusive relationships (she gravitates towards the charming but abusive types) - eventually she asked me to marry, claiming she realized what she was missing and that I had won her over. From almost day one, however, there were issues - a lot of sexual ones (i.e. her not being interested, no matter what I did), not taking responsibility for household work, and so on. Eventually she admits she doesn't think she has the right feelings for me and in fact has had an affair (for the sex, supposedly), but wanted to go through therapy and save it - during which, she met a new guy and started a new affair. That tore it for me (after she admitted she wanted to be with him) so I asked her to leave. Remained seperated for 12 months, then 6 months later the D. I stayed faithful until the D was done. The subsequent year (starting with seperation) was the worst I've ever had to experience. Lost my job (dot-com bust) and stayed unemployed for 1.5 yrs, lost my home, nearly had nervous breakdown, health issues (and no insurance), etc.

So I'm back to work now 2 months - got a place - things are much better. I have two issues:

1) The ex wants to be friends again. Actually she was upset over the divorce and didn't want it, but she couldn't commit to not cheating so I said no way. Now she is very upset and misses me terribly. She has admitted that she just isn't interested in me sexually and only got married because "she knew I was perfect in every way and so thought she could make it work" (her words) so there's no possibility of a romantic relationship, but we were best friends for years and she really misses that (and me). On my part...I mean, the hurt and betrayal is still there of course, and I know she hasn't learned WHY she did what she did, and our friendship was often one-sided. She says she wants to make it up and to be a good friend. Part of me misses the friendship, and feels bad to see her so lonely, but I'm afraid she'll just hurt me again.

2) I was brought up "that way" by my parents - be a gentleman, respectful, nice, sweet. I'm the classic "great guy". I put her on a pedestal and there wasn't anything I didn't do for her. The relationship got very one-sided of course. Always told "you'll find the right women someday" and so forth. Now that this has happened, my attitudes towards women have changed a lot. All that classic niceness seems to be gone (or buried). I find I'm developing a very misogynistic outlook on women and relationships. I was never very social when I was young, very shy. Now I go out to read books and take classes and seminars in meeting women, and all of them seem to further the idea that being a nice guy is a recipe for disaster. If I'm nice like that again I feel like I'll just get used again. Except, well, I really liked my old personality and I wish I could go back to it, but I don't want to spend the rest of my life dateless and/or hurt. Thoughts?

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Hey Ernie,

I suggest that you read a book by Duke Robinson . He writes about the pitfalls of "being nice" - things that people do because they think that have to do them to be nice, but which in fact are simply mistakes. You can still be nice, but also stand up for yourself - have boundaries.

I have the one called " Good Intentions ".

Happy Reading

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Between two people, you will always go back to a dirty slate. If you go back, do so with your eyes WIDE OPEN and be pleasantly surprised if it doesn't all happen all over again.

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The problem is that you chose to marry a psychologically unbalanced woman who had a lot of emotional baggage. No women in the right mind would allow themselves to be treated like crap. She should have seeked out psychiatric treatment instead of marrying you. Unfortunately you are using her low self esteem to gauge your attractiveness and desirability to women. My advice is to stop contact with your ex so that you can detach emotionally and move on. There is nothing wrong with you. One day you will meet a woman who will appreciate you, emotionally and physically. Put it down to a learning experience and be more careful in the future in choosing a partner.

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Go get "The System" at www.doclove.com. I recently got it and it has completely changed my outlook and may well change my life. It's well worth the $100.

Balance is the key.

Your X is a psycho and you should DROP her. You can NOT help her. She MUST help herself. Don't make her your problem. You're X sounds a lot like my X, especially the sex and low self-esteem comments.

Love requires respect and "nice guy" is just another term for pushover. Someone can not love you if they do not respect you. Your X does not respect you.

You must be a gentleman. Let's break that word down for a moment. You must be gentle (have Confidence and Self-Control). You must also be a man and have some balls when it is appropriate for doing so. Most women respond well to a man that does not agree with them for the sake of agreeing with them in a WEAK attempt to gain their favor. Women want to admire their mate and men want to be admired. Women are shaken in a positive way when you say NO at an appropriate time. Most women are unable to say the word NO. They'll use all kinds of other words. Having some balls every now and then gets you Respect. That's what your missing from your X.

My X responded properly when I pushed for custody of our daughter during the divorce. I told her how things were. I told her that I would fight her forever to get custody and meant it. She responded that I was the boss.

(She married the OM)

It's funny how well having some balls every now and then works. I've done it at work several times and I am amazed at how well it works with guys. One guy was being a real [censored] one day when I had had enough and asked him "Why are you being such an *******?". He's been a really nice guy to me since that day. That's just one example, I have many more.

Granted, I've yet to have it work well on women, but now I know what I'm missing. You can NOT drop your Confidence and Self-Control when you're showing some balls.

Women require a much more coordinated approach.

You MUST grow a backbone. Be firm. Don't be a jerk.

An example of being firm is getting my daughter to brush her teeth. This occurred during our divorce. My stbxw was trying to get our daughter to brush her teeth. My stbxw was at her wits end as our daughter would not brush her teeth. I walked in and told our daughter how things are going to be and how important brushing her teeth is. She started brushing her teeth. My stbxw went ballistic as I was able to get our daughter to do what she is told. She said that she "tried to be calm". You see how well that works.

My previous girlfriend overheard me being firm with my daughter one day and was impressed.

My daughter knows how to be behave. My daughter is very happy. She's easy to raise because I take care of issues as they occur.

So, be confident and have self-control and have some balls. That's called being firm and that's what you must do.

Get "The System".

The nearest analogies I can come of with are 'men are like dogs and women are like cats' and 'a man is a lion (king of the jungle) where the women are lionesses (they do the hunting)'.

Let women do the hunting and you do the fishing.
Confused? Think about this. They must be comfortable with you. Don't scare them off. Let them approach and show interest and then move carefully. Throw that bait out there. (You) Don't be an idiot and buy drinks for a women in hopes of getting her interested. She either is or isn't and drinks don't help in the long run. Don't waste your money or your time. Move on to another adventure.

Get "The System".

Women can easily outsmart us in the relationship department. They've had years more practice. They start at a much earlier age and are more relationship oriented.

It's no wonder they think we're immature. We ARE! It's no wonder they favor older guys. (older guys tend to have more Confidence and more Self-control)

Restrained power. Do not be a loose cannon.

Speak softly and carry a big stick. Use that stick when appropriate, but never in anger.

Cooler heads prevail.

Women are attacted to Confidence, Self-Control, and Challenge. Did you ever wonder why Marriage Builders doesn't have women needing an attractive spouse? Did you ever notice how women are attracted to those in power, no matter how ugly us guys think they are? (they demonstrate confidence, self-control, and challenge) Did you ever wonder why women are attracted to older men? Did you ever wonder why women are attracted (at least at first) to tough or rebelious guys? (later they figure out they're jerks and dump them)

Therefore, you do not need to have a perfect body to land (notice the fishing analogy) a nice woman. Just stick with the 3 Cs.

Challenge? Did you ever notice how women talk about playing hard to get? That's what you should be doing.

Women must get comfortable with you. It takes them a long time. You can not go slow enough.

Graphic, but think about male and female anatomy and use this analogy. Do you think much about going inside a stranger's house? Do women think much about a stranger coming into their home?

Hmmm...?

Get "The System".

It's the missing part of Marriage Builders.

Another interesting note.

This book and CDs are an effective cure for those who have anger problems. The word anger is not mentioned in a single place.

It works like this. When I find myself getting angry, two seconds later, I realize that I am not demonstrating confidence and self-control, and IMMEDIATELY stop the behavior as I know I'm not looking attractive to women.

Talk about a powerful motivation.

"The System" has incredible parallels for business, especially management and sales. Buy it for work and write it off on your taxes? Just a thought.

Kevin

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What Kevin says makes extreme sence..I 100% agree.
Just an opion

I believe Kevin cant say
"Get the System" enough
Makes me wonder....
Is he the founder or marketing agent ?

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LOL!!!

Well, to say I'm enthusiastic about the product is an understatement.

I have absolutely no stake in the product.

Guys just need to learn this stuff, just as all need to learn the MB stuff. I didn't want to let the cat out of the bag as women may see it as being manipulative, but I think it's too important to keep it a secret.

BTW, 60 day money back guarantee on The System stuff. He gets back 1 in 100.


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