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#77202 03/17/02 12:10 AM
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My problem is with my 21 yr old boyfriend of 2 years. I am also 21 yrs old. I'm not sure if this is the right place to post this so please bare with me. Please have patience as this will be long. This all started 2/28. My boyfriend and I live 30 miles apart so we spend the wkends together because its the only time we get to see each other. On the 28th I drove down to his house. When I got there he told me he needed to talk to me. He told me that he felt like he was going insane, that he had a lot of things to issues that he needed to deal with and that he wanted me to go back home so he could figure things out. He told me that he'd felt this way for about 6 months but it was getting worse. (about 6 months ago he lost several cousins he was close to in a house fire, I think that may have something to do with all this.) He also told me that I shouldn't look over any other guys while he was trying to figure things out cuz he didn't know how long it would take. I was obviously upset. Asked him why I couldn't be with him while he did this, I was crying at this pt. He was crying too. He said he felt he needed to do this alone. He also told me we'd always be friends and that he'd still come with me to all my family functions. I stayed for a few more hours talking about things, and he reassured me and held me close as I cried and he cried. I then went home. 3 hrs later he's at my house telling me that he f*cked up, that he misses me too much, he can't do this alone, that if he'd had the $ he would of bought me a ring. He also wrote me a note saying "I realized what I fought in my hea about, I love you so much and I feared I would lose you. I never thought I'd say this I LOVE YOU WITH ALL MY HEART!!" I was overjoyed that he was going to let me try and help him. He said that he wasn't all better, but things we getting better. We spent the rest of the wkend together like usual. He never brought up any of the issues and things seemed like normal. We parted monday morning, more in love w/ each other than ever before, or so I thought. I didn't get to talk to him for the rest of the wk til thurs when I text messaged him to call me when he arrived. He replied that he wasn't coming up and that I should check my mail. So I did and his email said that he was breaking off the relationship because he didn't want to be in a relationship where he didn't feel anymore. He told me not to try to contact him or his family or friends. That he feel that he's worthless, he's not perfect, that he doesn't want to [censored] up his life anymore than he already had, that he feels like he's a living lie. He said he expected me to mad and that was ok. He thanked me for the 2 years I gave he, that he wished he could give them back and just be friends, that he's done so many bad things he wished he could just start over....etc. He also told me not to worry that he'd get me the radio his cousin owed me. I tried to call him but he just turned off his phone. I drove down to see him and all he would say to me was that he wouldn't talk about it, that he wasn't mad at me but at himself, he asked if I wanted to be with some one who was f*cked up. I told him I didn't care, that I loved him. He told me to go home before I found out how much of an a-hole he could be. About a week has passed since all this and I have not heard from him. Everyone I've talked to so far has told me to back off for a month, and that if he loves me he'll come back. I'm hurt, confused, frustrated, depressed. I love him so much that I thought of him as my other half. I cannot accept that he lied to me for the past 2 yrs every time he told me that he loved me. I know he his hurting and depressed and the fact that he won't tell me anything hurts very much. What can I do other than wait? We've never gone this long without talking before, let alone not seeing each other. My dad thinks that I've already waited long enough and that if he cared he would have done something already. My dad thinks I should just forget him, but I can't I love him so much. Any suggestions on what he may thinking and how I should go about handling this situation? I didn't think commitment had ever been an issue as we had talked about marriage and moing in together before. In fact we planned to move in together this windter. Loyality also was never an issue either. A trusted friend of mine who talked to him says he told him that we broke up cuz I went psycho and starting acting like his last girl friend, which isn't true at all! I dunno what to do! help! I have so many questions and no answers at all.<p>[ March 16, 2002: Message edited by: tormented1 ]</p>

#77203 03/17/02 02:15 PM
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I suspect he's seeing someone else...and told those untrue stories about you because then people will think it's your fault, not his because he cheated. <p>I think he's babbling to try to confuse you so you don't see the real issue here. <p>Honey, you're 21 and you've been seeing him for 2 years. I think you should see what other fish are in the water.

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Well, your BF is obviously very confused about something. What it is exactly I can't tell, but if somebody loses "several" (that sounds like at least three?) cousins he was close to in a sudden catastrophe, that's a pretty traumatic event that could shake up his life. There certainly could be some kind of delayed shock or grief at work here. But that doesn't seem to be all there is to it, and perhaps the event triggered many other realizations, unrelated in themselves, that he's having trouble dealing with.<p>Of course you're deeply affected by this when you've been in a close relationship with expectations of your own. What it means for the future I can't tell. Whatever all this turmoil is in his head, remember that it's all about his stuff and it's not about you.<p>This doesn't mean he's necessarily going to "get over" whatever it is. He may or may not; and if he's some kind of crazy mixed-up kid it's a bad idea to hang onto him in the long term, even if he's reluctantly willing to let you. You don't want to marry a fixup project. They rarely do get "fixed up," and it usually leads to years of frustration and eventually giving up in disgust. But maybe he's just going through something, whatever it is, and if that's true, time will tell. Just don't give it too much time--like months and years.<p>I don't see any real evidence that he's involved with anyone else. It's a possibility, that's all. Who's to say why he thinks he's "f*cked up his life" and the rest of it? This is far too vague. It could have to do with anything at all: drug or criminal involvement, a felt lack of ambition or clear life goals, or just the way he thinks he's treated other people. Or he could be suffering from "survivor guilt." About whether he "loves you" or not, it's almost meaningless to ask that question in his present state. It's not a matter of "lying" or "not lying" when he told you he loved you. It was a matter of how he felt at a particular time, and that's been upset by all this turbulence in his head.<p>Similarly, I'm sure he's not saying anything to try to confuse you. I often see inferences of this kind. "Because I feel confused (or hurt or whatever), therefore the other person must have intended to confuse me" (or hurt me or whatever). The false assumption behind this is that the other person is not only predicting accurately, but thinking at all about what effects their words are having on another. This guy is too busy struggling to sort out stuff of his own, whatever that may be, and at times when he's into his own head you may not even be on his radar screen. He's confusing you because he's confused himself, that's all. You may be trying to help him, and thinking you can help him, but in his mind you may at times be just another source of conflicting demands of your own that only make his confusion worse. So he tries to push you away. There may be some "gender stuff" in here too, because women often find for themselves that "talking things through" solves a problem for them, while men often find for their own part a need to push away what they see as "outside interference" to give them the space to work through what's in their heads on their own.<p>But there's more than just "gender stuff" going on here. The point is, you're two separate people with separate needs and agendas. He wants to work through some baggage of his. You want to hang onto an ongoing relationship with him, and to increase his commitment to you, and you're desperate to help him. These needs can be in conflict. I don't think for a moment that you're "psycho," but in his confused state what he may see as "clinging" on your part just adds to his stress, so he may be thinking "Aargh! I can't stand this!" It's all very subjective on his part.<p>But don't forget, this doesn't mean the relationship is good for you, since he can't satisfy your needs in this state either. It could be that his last girlfriend wasn't "psycho" either, that it was just the way he saw her when she tried to hang onto him too. But it is a red flag when history seems to be repeating itself. Maybe he has a history of going through such phases. Or even if he did attract a genuinely psycho girlfriend in the past, that might be an indication of "problems" he has himself. Birds of a feather, and all that.<p>I think your friends are giving you good advice when they tell you to back off for a month and see what happens. But I do find some things more troubling in the long term. One, as I said, is that history could be repeating itself with him. Another is the extremeness of all this beating himself over the head, feeling "worthless" and the rest of it. If it's a good idea to back off, at the same time I would try to persuade him to get some counseling for himself, for his own good even if the relationship has no future.<p>But I do advise you to do your best to detach from his problems. I'm seeing more than just "love" and "involvement" here. There's a big hint of codependent entanglement as well. I notice you said "I was overjoyed that he was going to let me try and help him." If you'd said you were overjoyed that he was getting himself sorted out (or had done), that he loved you, that you were going to have a happy relationship with a future, or any of those things, that would all be understandable. But what you seem to be excited about is the prospect of a mission to help fix him up! That's codependent stuff, and if it's a pattern, you're going to get stuck in a frustrating lifetime of picking partners who need fixing up and then struggling to do it, usually with a dismal lack of success. So I hope for your own sake that you'll stand aside from this guy for the time being--whether or not he gets himself sorted out is irrelevant in the long run--and take a look to see where you're coming from yourself. Good luck--and a Happy Shamrock to you!


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