gabi,<BR>I couldnt agree with ya more. Must be the only pleasure in life for some of these ow's is pain and evil. How very very sad. with love flowerseed

Gabi and Flowerseed and everone,<P>Curiosity got the best of me and I went over there last night to gloryb. I had to see for myself that these people actually think they need support to destroy other peoples lives. It really made me sick to my stomach. I couldnt read more than 5 minutes worth and couldnt really care less what they had to say so I left. I cant imagine hanging out over there.<P>Love<BR>bw

Broken Wings I can not believe you had the guts to go over there. I tried also the other day. I could not figure out how to read their posts. Just some of the titles of the topics and posts was enough to make me sick. If you get bored again instead of going there, e-mail me and we can met in the chat room. It is a lot more theraputic than going to that other site. We have had some great laughs in the past chatting. Lee Lee is another one who really has cracked me up with some of the stuff she has come up with while we have been chatting. Anyway let me know when you wnat to met. And anyone else just post on the forum if you want to meet and chat. It is great therapy. Later, Peace, Gabi1116<p>[This message has been edited by gabi1116 (edited April 03, 2001).]

First of all, I DON'T have any screws loose and I'm sorry if you get offended by stuff you just don't want to hear but just because you don't want to hear what a person is saying, or you don't AGREE with what a person is saying DOES NOT make them "crazy'. I am a well educated, highly intelligent person who is working on her JD degree. I never meant to suggest that it is RIGHT to take away from the core family to support an outside child, but that's JUST HOW THE SYSTEM WORKS. I didn't make the system, I'm just going to school to work in the system. <P>CD:<BR>I never had a problem with being introduced to his wife...never had any nervousness about meeting her or anything. It just seemed like whenever we hung out, she was "busy" doing something, or visiting her parents or grandparents or whatever. I have met his little girl so I figured that it was really no big deal. You know how kids talk. I guess I figured if he had something to hide, I wouldn't have met his daughter because she would surely say something to her mom. I have not spoken to him in a while. It was hard at first but it gets easier as time passes.<P>I don't believe that I ever said that the women from THIS SITE go to gloryb, but there are a LOT of BWs that do go there and start trouble. Not too many post on the main board because you are not supposed to curse on the main board but they are there in full force on the VENT board. It's actually kind of comical at the moment because there are a gang of them from NY I think that are after this one OW emerald because I think she is a serial OW. But that's neither here nor there. I have seen this site get mentioned on gloryb before which is why I say that some come here and lurk, but then again I could be wrong. You don't have to register to post there so you could post under several different names. If you can't stand to read the post then don't go there.

onlyfriends,<BR>WHY DONT YOU GO BACK TO WHEREEVER IT IS YOU CAME FROM we dont need your educated, highly intelligent person here. If that were really the case you would be educated enough to know when your trying to force your well educated facts onto people that are new here and in pain and doing the best they know how. flowerseed<P>------------------<BR>A wise woman builds her house;a foolish woman tears hers down with her own hands. Proverbs 14...

flowerseed,<BR>would you consider it more helpful or harmful to sugar coat everything for a newcomer just to make them feel better or would you think that INFORMATION on what goes on in the child support system would bennefit someone who is trying to fight it? The approach of "close your eyes and it all goes away" only works in fairy tales. Sure, a lot of times the TRUTH HURTS but don't IGNORE it...CHANGE it.

Oh believe me sweetie we are changeing it. The free ride will end and the way the child support is set up now will be history. So think about that before you take your onlyfriends to far and get knocked up. You want to come here for advice I'll give ya a little clue dont insult the ladies here with your facts you will find onlyfriends will have no friends. flowerseed <P>------------------<BR>A wise woman builds her house;a foolish woman tears hers down with her own hands. Proverbs 14...

excuse me but I fail to see what is INSULTING about facts. They are the facts and they are undeniable. Change them. I don't give a crap. I have NEVER slept with a married man and never intend to. And since all communication with my friend have been cut off, believe ME sweetie, there is no possible danger of me getting pregnant by him. Flowerseed, I never meant to ruffle your feathers but hon you need to grow up a little. Things don't change just because you get mad about them. Be like CD and aspire to go to law school your self to change things you don't like and fight for things you do like. Don't just close your eyes and pretend it goes away. My area of concentration is criminal law but I do know about family law as well.

onlyfriends,<BR>I am making a farting noise with my lips at you. Since I'm not intelligent enough to know how to do that with my keyboard how is that for mature. I said what I had to say as far as I'm concerned your historyyyyyyyyyyyyyyy. SEE YA

onlyfriends,<BR>I am still puzzled by something. If wife suspected affair and you were really only friends, why didn't you go over, introduce yourself, tell her that really all was innocent, and make friends with her too? Seems to me that's what I would do if all was truly on the up-and-up. Why would your friend let his wife persist in the belief that he was having an affair when it would be so simple just to introduce you as his friend and go from there.<P>Regarding cs information: Seems to me from reading your post on cs that you were not merely offering information on the system, you were explaining that it is only fair that the ow gets booko bucks to raise the child, and acting like we are not aware of how much money it takes to raise a child. Most of us here have children of our own, so we know how financially taxing children are, however, we all chose to get married so that we could better provide for the children we planned to have. To have a child born outside of the marriage and who came AFTER the children of the marriage take money away from them is simply wrong. Ow picked the most expensive daycare she could find for her one child, just because she knew my h would get stuck with the bill. As a result, my children need things (shoes, clothes, etc.) that we can't afford to buy them. I am working to combat the injust child support system. Nobody here is sugarcoating anything. However, we have a right to be offended when somebody who is not in our position comes in and says that we are being selfish about money. You seem to think that ow have a right to whatever they need in order to raise their child comfortably. But my children have the right to have full financial consideration as well. And they don't have it, under the current guidelines. If you would take the time to read previous posts, you will note that many of us here have already taken steps to contact our lawmakers to have these laws changed. I am currently working on a letter to state reps that can be used by other members of this board to heighten awareness of our problem, and I am confident that sooner or later, we will see results.<P>OW knew damn well when she chose to keep her child that she would have a rough time supporting it on her own. That was her choice, and therefore, should be her problem. Not mine. <BR>cdcollins

Only friends I am puzzeled by one thing... this forum and more importantly this topic area is for woman and men who have been betrayed and a child is the product of the affair. So answer me this why the he## are you here. GO AWAY there are enough educated woman and men in this forum to help those in our similar situations. I for one have experience in cs and in fighting for visitation. You have admitted already that you did not sleep with a mm and would not get preg. Well even if this was true this is not the place for you. We are here to heal and repair marriages in which we have chosen to stay in. What is your purpose here, I have just told you all of ours. Are you or have you even ever been married and do you even know the value we here have in marriage? If you are as educated and intelligent of a person as you say then you will see my logic and go away as I and many others wish you would and I think if you chose to stay we should all just not reply to your bull. We all know about laws, pain, cs,visitation, ect some more than others. And those of us that don't can ask those that do. And there are many sites out there in the wonderful world wide web if we need to find ohther answers. WE DO NOT NEED YOUR LECTURING CRAP> GO AWAY LITTLE GIRL> You are the inmature one to come here and bother woman who are only trying to heal and help others do the same. We are all here to help ourselves, our marriages and maybe in the process help some of the other wonderful people here. WHAT really is your purpose as I see it you have none so again so away. You should be ashamed of yourself to come here and harrass woman who are only here to better themselves and their marriage. Are you even married I doubt it or you would not be looking for your so called friendship with a mm, you are pathetic and I feel sorry for you that you find a need to continue to post here in your hurtful and lecturing manner. YOu truely must be a lonely person. Don't your studies keep you busy enough, go study law and leave us poor woman folk alone. Find another site that is more your speed , titles to look for lonely and nothing better to do , I do not know you just seem like you will not fit in anywhere. Maybe a site called only friends as your name implies, I am so tired of this crap, just leave us alone to deal with our issues in the pleasant and caring way we have been we do not need this crap. I have gained alot of help here and it was definitely not from people like you!!!!!!!!!!! Gabi1116