I was just wondering if anyone else feels the media may be helping in Ow wanting a child by MM? I mean whenever a news story about an oc comes along MM gets BLASTED and the ow seems to be held up for raising the oc as an only mother. When this first happened I could not belive how many famous men have oc. I mean there is Michael Nesmith(from the Monkees), Jesse Jackson, i want to say julius erving(the basketball guy who has the famous tennis daughter)and on and on it seems to go. I think it is just going to get worse I think this is going to become more and more common and our little circle is going to get much bigger. any thoughts? Does anyone else know any famous people this happened to?<BR>

As long as our family law system continues to reward women for this kind of selfish behavior the numbers of children born under these circumstances will increase. The fact that alot of society condones what these women (and men) are doing seals the deal. <P>Famous men are usually cash cows. The percentage of births that come out of these affairs has to be much higher than the norm. JMO though as I have no stats to back it up.<P>Until women (the men can't seem to get organized! )get involved in speaking out against the injustices of our corrupt family law system nothing will change. Why should it when we're rewarded for our bad behavior under the guise of "best interests of the children".<P>I read the recent letter (about choice) by JTigger (I think that's who wrote it) and I lost the thread. The author is the kind of person who will help change the system. I write letters to my state representatives monthly. When they hear from enough of us the system will change, and the number of "accidental" births will drop.<P>If you care about kids...I urge all of you to write your state representatives.

I agree with you, whatif. I did notice it before I found out about all of this in my own life, but now, of course, I am more acutely aware of these situations. Certainly, the men that have money or celebrity, or some other type of powerful postition seem to get in these situations. Part of it is their stupidity, but I am sure a lot of men were fooled by these women. <P>I am sick to death now of women that use the phrase "but I am a single parent" to excuse their lot in life. Especially since now, most families are headed by only one parent and the traditional "nuclear family" is not the norm any longer. Okay, so you are divorced and raising your kids, or you were never married and are raising kids.....big deal.....deal with it. Don't expect handouts just because of that. Quit playing the victim. The governor of my state, Jesse Ventura, got into a little trouble shortly after taking office, when a woman came up to him and asked him if he was going to do anything for her, a single parent, as far as paying for her education and giving more aid to her. He got a lot of flak in the press for not being politically correct because he asked why he should do anything for her, when she was capable of doing it for herself and that it wasn't his fault she was a single parent. At the time, I thought he was a little harsh, but he was right......and this was BEFORE D-day for me.<P>Sometimes I am so disappointed in women that constantly play the victim. Don't get me wrong, I think there are some very important and necessary social programs for women and children, but many of these women consciously make the choice to be a parent without truly thinking of the consequences of thier actions.

Sure! Clearly any fertile woman who'd like a nice regular income for 18 years just has to find a rich (or as close as she can get) guy to bop her... And if he's married, the less she has to worry about him wanting/having visitation! Hey, we married women can do this too... supplemental income.<P>Morals, anyone? For many they seem a thing of the past. Yuck.

I have to clarify, i do think we need reforms but I am 100% for child support. Child support is SUPPOSED to be for the child. I had a child out of wed lock and the father had to pay. I do think we need reforms though.

whatif,<BR>The ch-support is SUPPOSED to be for the child, yes, and I agree it should be. I personally would not remove child-support requirements, but I would like reform. <P>When is the support based on what the child actually needs?? When will the laws be equitable and across all states? When will the system stop treating all noncustodial men as if they are "deadbeat dad", (do you know some states make dad pay the mother's lawyer fees irregardless of her income?!), etc. etc.? I've read enough cases from this board and from friends' lives that I do not think we come close to "justice"!<P>Look at the JJackson case. Where did the XOW and OC move to? California, where ch-support is 25% income plus extras, of course!! <P>The whole subject **sses me off. We can't legislate morality, but we could have more equitable laws. Our national attempt to "protect women and children" has swung far afield and some women are playing it to the hilt. Is the media attention to OC 'enlightening' people or encouraging more of the same? <p>[This message has been edited by Jenny (edited August 06, 2001).]

<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by whatif?:<BR><B>I was just wondering if anyone else feels the media may be helping in Ow wanting a child by MM? I mean whenever a news story about an oc comes along MM gets BLASTED and the ow seems to be held up for raising the oc as an only mother. </B><HR></BLOCKQUOTE><P>Hmmm? I don't believe the media encourages women to go after married men, but I do believe that there is no shame in single parenting as far as the media is concerned. I can think of several famous single women who have had babies and it seems to be the thing to do!?<P>I have not noticed the media glorifying MMs OW tho--not really... However, I would venture to say that probably the reason we don't know who has fathered a lot of famous women's children is because they are probably married!!!<P> <BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by whatif?:<BR><B> When this first happened I could not belive how many famous men have oc...any thoughts? Does anyone else know any famous people this happened to?</B><HR></BLOCKQUOTE><P>Bill Cosby?<BR>Mick Jagger?<BR>Anthony Quinn?<P>& I believe Isabella Rosselini's father was married? I forget...

I feel that the more power , fame, and or money they have the challenge becomes more alluring, and in the end alot of them are concieved in desperation to keep the man and his money around, not knowing the hardships that follow