<small>[ November 21, 2004, 11:13 PM: Message edited by: litlone ]</small>

First off. Did you go though an attorney for no contact? Is there any agreement of any sort? If not get one. Keep everyhting she sends you, you may someday need it. Oh and I wouldn't write her a thing. Thats harrasment on your side. Really by law it is. You don't have what she sent you, so your harrassing her. Beware! If you truely want her to stop get the attorney and do it so you can make her. Without that, (to me and only me) your asking for the drama to never end. if you and your family have made your mind up to not to do c, then show her. What ever little bit you put up w/ she will continue to do.
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<small>[ November 21, 2004, 11:14 PM: Message edited by: litlone ]</small>

Then write her the letter and send it certified. But keep it to the point and keep a copy. Hurt people act crazy and there is no telling what this woman may do at anytime. So therefore you have to play cover YOUR butt game and hope she gets the message. if not you will have to get an attorney to make her stop. Why did you want NC and still want pix, if you don't mind me asking?
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<small>[ November 21, 2004, 11:16 PM: Message edited by: litlone ]</small>

Of course you are the one he wants. She is an "UGH what have I done, how stupid am I" memory.

Ok, if money is tight, call the DA in your area and ask about harrassment. If you want contact, do you have a Legal Aid Office? Ask the DA about this. She can't keep this child from you two if you want to see oc. Also, you can arrange for another to pick up the oc and drop off also.

If you want no contact, she is harrassing you. PERIOD. Start keeping things and then speak to the DA about harrassment. But you have to speak to them first. Start complaining about her, let them know what is going on. She will end up getting a letter to cease.

You need to keep digging for legal assistance. She is keeping the child from the father and that is illegal. Be proactive. Get on the phone and start calling around. Is there a mens rights organization in your state? Find them and give them a buzz. You would be amazed at their organization. They have some high prices laywers who are willing to fight for their "brothers in need" Can't hurt to give em a call.

<small>[ November 21, 2004, 11:12 PM: Message edited by: litlone ]</small>

Litlone it sounds like you and H want contact. Don't let your life be around when and where this woman wants to be and do. Take lynns advise and try to get something rolling. She wants to control you and H still and is useing the child as a tool to hurt your feelings. She needs to say nothing to you about the past, just about the child. I think the longer you wait, the harder it will be. Find a maybe a suppot group for dads w custody and rights. Dads do have more rights these days so I would search and find what ever means it takes. You may even go though this w/ her breaking verbal aggrements, just a thought. And do keep everything she sends. You will need it. She will think you want to take control over her and what she does w/ her child, which all you want is to see the child and be a part of its life. So she will get hairy! They all do. They think its all control? Wonder why? maybe they are the ones who cant stand to loose that control over your family? Ok nuff that. Good luck ! Let us know what you find. Maybe if you give your state someone here will know where you need to go. If not go to the sis by fire and put it there.
Since its more private.
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<small>[ November 21, 2004, 11:20 PM: Message edited by: litlone ]</small>

I can tell you that someone knows everyone on the other sis by fire site. Thats why we did it. So we could go somewhere and feel comfortable since the pivate site is is slow in getting you in. But I understand your reservations. Thats kinda of like if you want to find out if H is cheating and you follow them, your stalking them. People act like you don't have the right to know? What is up w/ the system? <img border="0" title="" alt="[Eek!]" src="images/icons/shocked.gif" /> I think more needs to be done in cases like this. Man we are going to have some messed up, not knowing who they are, or who they are related too, and alot of them askeing why? As they get older if something is not done. To me the crap should be handled the sam way a D is handled. Lord know C/S is set that way. But visitations aren't and nothing else. I guess we are the only ones that can make a difference one event at a time. Good luck and I hope you come back to sis by fire!
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<small>[ November 21, 2004, 11:21 PM: Message edited by: litlone ]</small>