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Well I dont know about you but My expenses are pretty REAL... However I figure his are as well, which is why he and I cooperate when it comes to the money part. He doesnt pay 20% I would say he pays about 7%. But he does other things to help out and I am not in need of every free dime he has. Because I want him to have money when he has her, incase they would like to do stuff.
But Tuition for private school(His idea) isnt cheap. And 5 children go through alot of shoes and clothes and they share clothes and shoes all the time. Add to that the Electric and water( I wash a lot of clothes) and it is quite a tidy sum. I guess if I made him pay 20% I would havemore to put away for her future. But Like I said it isnt that important to me that he pay, just that if he is going to be daddy, that he do a good job.

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What we pay is quite low, comparatively. However, it was set by the courts and I was quite pleased. It costs to raise a child, sure. BUT, I look at it this way. If the ow and her family are living in a house, she would be paying for it already, she would have to heat it, etc. So, if there are 5 people living in the house, oc would cost 1/5th of that. Then food. I feed kids, etc. It doesn't cost $500.00 a month to feed a child. Unless you buy crap.

So, if we are paying child support, and 50% of insurance and 50% of daycare when he was small, that was more then enough. If that child was her husbands, she would not be getting that money.

We do pay very little, but we do pay for insurance and we made sure that counted.


Drinking last night??? I am just way mellow this weekend. Must be the doldrums of winter!! Today however, I should have drank, and a lot. We had a huge bonfire/kegger/pig roast party. Big TV out in the garage for the mother of all football games. Everyone was here. All the women and kids left..the men are out there, not wanting to waste a drop of the beer and watching the post game shows.....as if they missed a play or something. <img border="0" title="" alt="[Roll Eyes]" src="images/icons/rolleyes.gif" /> My kids are all outside and I came upstairs to get away from it all. My yard looks like the frat house from Animal House. I'm sure it will smell simply lovely tomorrow <img border="0" title="" alt="[Frown]" src="images/icons/frown.gif" />

But yeah, I am way mellow lately!!

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I just had to join in the discussion. H pays less than 20%, we know he would pay more if we go through court.

XOW makes more than H. OC is always wearing brand new clothes everytime we see her. I wonder if our own children will be able to dress as well, (I kind of doubt it, as I've had to go to consignment shops for some of my maternity clothes). I know that the CS goes to OC since the amount we pay barely covers the daycare costs. But I can't think our own children will have a lower standard of living than OC, and I think that's sad in a way. Although, they will have a full time father, OC does not.

I also read a post about NTMO that said her XMM's wife had a Lous Vouiton, so did XOW, but it was stolen because she was not too smart and left her car unlocked. I guess it was karma.

I completely believe in supporting your children, but I worry what we can afford for our child- the CS definitely makes our situation that much harder. I worry when the kids get older they'll wonder why OC can have clothes etc... that are more expensive than theirs. But, it also comes down to priorities. We own our home, XOW rents. H and I are not poor, we make a decent living. It just so happens the XOW in our case makes more than H. (Of course it is not more than our combined income.)

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</font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial">Originally posted by Wife30:
<strong> I just had to join in the discussion. H pays less than 20%, we know he would pay more if we go through court.

XOW makes more than H. OC is always wearing brand new clothes everytime we see her. I wonder if our own children will be able to dress as well, (I kind of doubt it, as I've had to go to consignment shops for some of my maternity clothes). I know that the CS goes to OC since the amount we pay barely covers the daycare costs. But I can't think our own children will have a lower standard of living than OC, and I think that's sad in a way. Although, they will have a full time father, OC does not.

I also read a post about NTMO that said her XMM's wife had a Lous Vouiton, so did XOW, but it was stolen because she was not too smart and left her car unlocked. I guess it was karma.

I completely believe in supporting your children, but I worry what we can afford for our child- the CS definitely makes our situation that much harder. I worry when the kids get older they'll wonder why OC can have clothes etc... that are more expensive than theirs. But, it also comes down to priorities. We own our home, XOW rents. H and I are not poor, we make a decent living. It just so happens the XOW in our case makes more than H. (Of course it is not more than our combined income.) </strong></font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial">Wife, first of all thanks for helping me with the spelling of that purse.....can you guess I've never had one??? <img border="0" title="" alt="[Wink]" src="images/icons/wink.gif" /> I was way off on the spelling........and amazing how that Karma can bite someone in the buttocks <img border="0" title="" alt="[Big Grin]" src="images/icons/grin.gif" />

You know what, as far as consignment shops go, they are great! I bought all my maternty clothes there (and some were given to me). Even if I would have had way to much to spend I would have gone and bought them there. In my case I was NOT planning on having anymore children and really could not see wasting full price money on those clothes never getting use out of them of them again. I did have to have work suits and all as I dress up for work. I have neices that we have had our kids close together and we all have shared clothes and we all keep our clothes in good shape. In fact my niece sent me a box of clothes a few months ago and some were for the twins and some for the baby. stbxh was here and we were all going through the clothes (my kids think they are new to them anyway and thrilled with hammydowns) and there were clothes in there that she had given me with the twins that were her 10 year old that I had given back to her that were for her 5 year old (as the ages were younger then) for the baby. Plus clothes that I had bought for the twins that she sent back. Even he noticed, hey the twins use to wear those! I have another friend that sent me all kinds of clothes (gambery) for the baby. I thank God for these people thinking of me as kids clothes no matter how old add up. With babies they grow so fast! As they grow older they still grow so fast. I do major shopping twice a year for the twins. Even with that I buy on sale. I will buy at Dillards, but there 75% off racks for the next year. I have really learned to be thirfty with clothes and no one has ever complained at my household, nor have people snickered about how my kids look. My kids get new shoes twice a year with maybe one more time in between. I make them take care of there shoes. There clothes too. I'm very picky how I wash them also. It is very costly to raise kids. I have given up a lot since I've had the baby to ajust to those expenses, but it's okay as later her expenses go down and I will be able to have those extra's again. I do disagree with KT that it does cost a lot for kids. I consider myself pretty frugle at this stage in my life and learned to buy generic foods when I use to be the brand name queen.....I don't breast feed anymore and her food is expensive. It's getting cheaper though as I've started her on table food and even though she only has two teeth she does pretty darn good gumming it <img border="0" title="" alt="[Big Grin]" src="images/icons/grin.gif" /> . I spend on an average a week for diapers, formula, babyfood, and wipes (the basic) $53.00. Considering the twins cost us 150.00 a year the first year every week that is pretty good. With the twins I did it all brand name. I've learned that luv's diapers are great diapers for her (huggies are almost twice as much), and I use Wal-Mart brand formula. Now that one was a hard one for me, but I took it to my ped and had him read the ingredients and said it was just like enfamil......so it eased my find. Not including safe key for the twins I spend 130.00 - 150.00 a week for daycare. I have a two bedroom condo that I got after I had the baby to cut down on my expenses. Although I lost a bedroom, it's not much smaller than my other condo, and it's brand new. I share a room with the baby and as soon as she is a bit older I'm moving the girls toys in the garage and making it a playroom with carpet and all, then I'll move her in there room. When I got pregnant, I had a nice family van with all the extras in it. It was big and comfy, and told me which way I was going and everything. I traded that in for a 4 door car that we all fit in and still has some things like power windows etc., but my payment is almost 250.00 cheaper than my van was. My kids complain that they don't have the room anymore, but oh well. It's duable and comfortable still and cheaper on gas <img border="0" title="" alt="[Big Grin]" src="images/icons/grin.gif" /> . The thing is I knew by x-mas before the baby was born that it was not going to be over night that xmm would accept this and I had to make ajustments then before it got out of hand and I started loosing things that my children and I already had. Before I got pregnant I had a tan all year around....I ONLY wore Este Lauder make up and even though I never bought clothes all the time for myself or shoes I only bought from certain stores. When I do have to buy something for myself (which is seldom as I take care of my clothes) I have compromised my standards now. It really does not bother me that much either. So I'm not complaining about how much it cost ME to have my children as lifeisstrange suggested, I was basically saying to you here are the facts. It's expensive the so to speak "start up fees" of havning a child. I was smart with the twins. I started buying as soon as I knew the pregnancy was safe since we had to buy for two. Wife, your child should not be getting less than oc. I hope you don't feel that should be the case. If there is a will there is a way. Make friends with people that you can trade clothes at the different ages and all. I've gotten some pretty nice clothes for my kids. I've given some pretty nice clothes away from my kids. I don't feel that my baby is done without except one major thing. She has plenty. My twins have plenty. What I do feel bad about is my twins were use to being in dance class and since the baby came because of the fight and hiding of assests and the process taking it's time, they have had to stop those extra things. They will be back in there activites though and all will be fine again. I took two weeks off after I had the baby and was lucky that I could take her to work with me for a month in a half before I had to start paying a babysitter. It's been tough in a lot of ways but could have been a lot worse. I could have not been able to work at all and they would not have the roof over there head or x-mas or a birthday parties etc. I think I've gotten off track here, but my point is that KT you maynot spend that much on your kids and you've figured out how to do that. Not everyone can do it like that. You've given up certain things so you can homeschool and be at home with your kids since you do have a husband to take up that slack while you keep up your slack KWIM? I've learned to be better, but I'm doing the best I can. I think the majority of mothers/parents do. I do not HOWEVER agree with lifeisstrange about her theroy on a mother should not be asking the bio at all for anything. Wife your going to be just fine. I see it in your post. I can tell you've got a good head on your shoulders. Start planning and buying now. Don't wait for that shower, unless you know something is a given. If you plan on breast feeding still join the formula clubs and have that on hand just in case. They send you free formula to try out. Start buying diapers now. When I was pregnant with the twins I started buying diapers as soon as I knew I was safe........and every week when I bought grocries, I bought a thing of daipers (different sizes) plus my sister asked me what I wanted and I told her diapers and she did the same thing as me buying everyweek.......I did not buy any diapers for 2 months after they were born. My bought my crib one month and the mattress the next. I bought the car seats another month and my stroller another month.........I saved up for the high chairs and bought them later. Also the most expensive is not always the best. I bought PREGO highchairs at almost 200.00 per chair as people told me they'd be in them till they were 4. WRONG!!!!!!!!!!!!! They learned how to un latch them and crawl out at 2 years old. It was a huge waste of money for the time they spent in them. Any hints you need just ask........I'm making this post really long doing this now.

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</font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial">Originally posted by lifeisstrange:
<strong> your life sounds very difficult, N, but yet you chose it. </strong></font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial">Actually It's not so bad. I was explaining something to either you or someone else...can't remember. I have a great place to live that is very affordable, and a good job which advancement for selfemployment, 3 great wonderful kids that are all a blessing and a joy to be around and fun to be around <img border="0" title="" alt="[Big Grin]" src="images/icons/grin.gif" /> . We have had to make ajustments on somethings, but it could be a whole lot worse. I could be in teh position of not knowing how to support myself, or not be smart enough to know how to manage my money. You sound very bitter to me and I'm sorry to hear that. In my opinion your thoughts about cs the womans choice is very selfcentered though. Very narrow minded. But that is how you feel and you have a right to your thoughts of feeling that way. I'm asking you though not to put someone down for not agreeing with you and try to belittle them or me. We are all different people in different situations and no one size fits all. <img border="0" title="" alt="[Roll Eyes]" src="images/icons/rolleyes.gif" />

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Lynn I like you much better way mellow.......you have your points, but your so much more compassionate about it and not sounding so harsh or boasting. I actually enjoyed debating with you <img border="0" title="" alt="[Big Grin]" src="images/icons/grin.gif" />
I'm glad you guys had a good superbowl party and hope your clean up tomorrow is not an all day event

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In my state it is 18% of the gross income for one and 25% for two 29% for three then it goes up 2% per child there after. Plus we do have a cap here in my state and it's a shared cost of living. So I feel it's pretty fair here. The other expenses daycare/medical un reinbursed etc., are all split 50 50.

KT, if she were married she maynot get that money from her husband, but she would have her husband's income to help with those expenses. Not to start a war with you, but think about it. My stbxh pays cs, and if he lived with me not only would that cs support he pays now be there, actually more money a month would be there to help with more of there expenses.

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You gotta love those state caps. Because of the cap the xOW in our case can never come back for an increase in CS unless the laws change. The OW is capped at around $700. I don't remember the exact amount but whatever it is I think it's more than enough. She wanted to settle for $5,000 a month. <img border="0" title="" alt="[Big Grin]" src="images/icons/grin.gif" /> She must have been on drugs when she suggested that. She wanted to be a stay at home mom. I think she wanted my moms life. If not for the cap I bet she would have gotten enough to stay home.

Where I have a differing opinion is the college expenses or education expenses in general. My parents paid 100% of my education. I think if the parents have the money and it's not a burden to them they should pay it. I think dad should pay for OC's whole education because he can afford it and won't even miss the money. My fiance and I have already talked about starting a college fund for our child and he/she is not even born yet. I don't understand why a parent would not pay for college if they can afford it.

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Cody???? 5 Grand a month??? That is funny! That the stow who sits home eating bon bons. The majority of us work our butts off as we did before the child. It's life. I agree with you on the college education as well. You are a very lucky person that your parents were able to take care of that and the best part....YOU TOOK ADVANTAGE of your parents offer. Education is extremly important. Are you almost through with school?

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I have been done with college for a while now. My parents had this rule that if I wanted my bills paid I had to go to college. They did not raise a fool. <img border="0" title="" alt="[Big Grin]" src="images/icons/grin.gif" /> As soon as I graduated my free ride was over. <img border="0" alt="[Teary]" title="" src="graemlins/teary.gif" />

As for the 5k a month yes it is funny. I am not joking when I say that she wanted my moms life and our lifestyle. The really sad thing is if we lived say in CA he could have gotten stuck paying that kind of child support, possibly more. I think caps should be in place in all states to stop that.

I was reading in MASS Sean "P Diddy" Combs was told to pay his ex GF $35,000 a month in child support for one child. That is INSANE! He called it adult support and he is right. Last I heard he appealed it. I hope he wins.

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posted by NTMO:KT, if she were married she may not get that money from her husband, but she would have her husband's income to help with those expenses. Not to start a war with you, but think about it. My stbxh pays cs, and if he lived with me not only would that cs support he pays now be there, actually more money a month would be there to help with more of there expenses.

Are you trying to say that if they were married, they would have his & her $$$? (H & W) You also have to remember something about those on welfare...that 'income' from welfare is NOT calculated in but their FULL expenses are...so OW may not have had income from a spouse but she did have it from uncle sam. (I know not all OW are on welfare, just ours)

I WAS a SAHM that didn't have to work, before CS. We were not rich, not even homeowners, but we made do. Like most in America, living paycheck to paycheck. SO there was no extra $$$ coming in. The CS we paid out went directly FROM our budget. IT was like getting a %25 cut in pay. WHO can afford that?

I immediately got a minimum wage job working from home (adult daycare provider) so that I could continue to homeschool & make up the difference.

I would not have been so upset if I was ALREADY a working out of my home-mom but I wasn't. Meanwhile, OW was working PART-time making WAY more than I was (almost double) AND getting welfare. (not to debate about welfare)Just making a point. The judge told ME to get a job! (yep, I sure was insulted @ that! & I was 8 mos. pg!)

As if H support of OC was MORE important than the support of OUR kids? Honestly, @ that point it would have cost me MORE to work outside of my home than not...just for daycare costs alone (you single moms know what I mean, daycare for a NEWBORN AND a toddler?) I don't know what that judge was thinking!

I DO think OW wanted to have our lifestyle, even it was just her IDEA of what it was, not what the reality was. She made numerous comments to me about it.

OW seemed to have this 'ideal' that she thought I was living & thought she deserved it too. I think that is why she turned down a full-time position that was offered to her so that she could feel like she was a SAHM mom 'like me'.

There are many ways that CS obligors get the raw end of the deal. MANY.

MY kids did do w/o for awhile, WAY more than OC. THe younger ones did not notice of course but the older one did. ("you got new shoes again?" <img border="0" title="" alt="[Frown]" src="images/icons/frown.gif" /> )

Yes, eventually CS was reduced because we had way more time w/ OC. (H still ahd to fight it out in court against the DA though) It is more reasonable now & we don't even notice since it comes out automatically. Technically though, OW can always go back & file for more (& win) since we no longer have C. I sincerely doubt she will though becuase she does NOT want us involved so she will not do anything to provoke us to get involved again. kwim?
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KT, what I was trying to say and this is assuming that she is NOT on welfare because I highly doubt (although I could be wrong about that too) that if she was married and her husband worked a decent job she could get. I'm using the sceniro that she is married, and husband has a desent job and maybe even she works and makes money. She benifits from his income too....it's incoropated together and would therefore have more money than what she would on cs. I remember you telling us about the welfare thing and turning down that one job. When stbxh and I were still together his income was our income and not just a portion of like a cs amount. That is what I meant.

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<strong> I have been done with college for a while now. My parents had this rule that if I wanted my bills paid I had to go to college. They did not raise a fool. <img border="0" title="" alt="[Big Grin]" src="images/icons/grin.gif" /> As soon as I graduated my free ride was over. <img border="0" alt="[Teary]" title="" src="graemlins/teary.gif" />

As for the 5k a month yes it is funny. I am not joking when I say that she wanted my moms life and our lifestyle. The really sad thing is if we lived say in CA he could have gotten stuck paying that kind of child support, possibly more. I think caps should be in place in all states to stop that.

I was reading in MASS Sean "P Diddy" Combs was told to pay his ex GF $35,000 a month in child support for one child. That is INSANE! He called it adult support and he is right. Last I heard he appealed it. I hope he wins. </strong></font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial">OMG $35,000 a month? WOW!!!! That is insane. That is totally supporting her lifestyle and not just the child. They were never married? I'd appeal that too, and I'm for cs for every child.

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Now THAT"S the way to go......just get pg from a rap star or basketball start! LOL <img border="0" title="" alt="[Wink]" src="images/icons/wink.gif" />

AND that is because of what I mentioned earlier, it is to make the child's home EQUAL to the OP standard of living-----------which is ridiculous!IMO

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The main thrust of this message is that time goes by fast, life is short, so live it the way you choose. Quit wasting time and energy on a situation that you can't change. Deal with it the way YOU want to and move on. Stand up for what you want and then let it go. Life has so much coming at you. And (less the ow types think otherwise, being simple minded and all....), why waste your time being down. Bad things happen too. People get sick, some die, some have car accidents, etc. Why waste today, a perfectly good day letting some little situation wreck it? Save your energy for the big stuff. Save it for when your daughter takes your car and along with her friends gets into an accident.....yes that happened to us. You want to talk heartbreak and fear....learning that was far far more traumatic then having to pay child support. Or how about when the family dog has to be put to sleep? That hurts to the core. So when I say the oc is just a detail, I mean it. Having an oc in your life (contact or not) is not life threatening, it can't kill you. Just chose what you want, and get moving and go live your life. You don't have to sit in a corner and cry for the next 20-30-40-50-60 years about this. Heck no. Deal with it and move on!!! If your ow is upset, who care? HER FEELINGS DON'T MATTER NOR DO THEY COUNT. If you are going for contact, remember your husband has just as much right to his child as she does. Don't let her walk on your family, she has no right to do so. If you don't want contact, don't. It is none of her business why you do or don't anyway. That is a decision made within your marriage, for your family. Just make a decision, get LEGAL ADVICE, work out the details and go and live your life! And go enjoy your family, let your husband seduce you and let him proove to you how sorry he is for what he has done to you. Enjoy holidays and birthdays and vacations. Enjoy family nights at the movies or having picnics in your home in the dead of winter....HAVE FUN. If he proves worthy, forgive him and love again. You will learn to trust again. Then someday, you will meet or learn of some woman, in the same situation you are in right now. You will be able to reach out to her and tell her that you understand how hurt she is. How scared she is. You will be able to support her through it. You will remember the fear and the pain and the anger. But you will also remember that life went on. That you and your husband had a rough spot, worked it out. You will tell her that you are happy with your life and that there is a future! There is life after all of this. Good and bad things happen all the time. So deal with this situation and move past it. Otherwise you are giving away perfectly good days! I remember I did that. I remember wasting time too. I had a dear friend kick me in the pants and shove me back to living. I will forever love her for her support and kindness, heck even for her screaming at me to get up and go shopping. I adore her!!

So, dear sweet hurting cyber friends, don't let this destroy you. Stand up. Be strong. Fix your hair, makeup, square up your shoulders and get living!!!! Cause someday this will just be something that happened.

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Pepperband - Thanks for your posting. I would give anything to feel that way. Sometimes we don't realize we go through things to one day be a blessing to another friend who will one day experience the same thing.

For me NO CONTACT is the only and BEST way for us to move on with our lives. I'm not ready for a drama filled life. My H and I want simple lives. We have worked to hard to have our lives filled with constant DRAMA! Thanks again.

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Wow, I'm new here, on about the fifth week of trying to make our marriage work after my H told me that he was having an A and the OW is pregnant. I really needed to read this today, thank you so much and I'm so happy that I found this site and these wonderful people who are helping each other.


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Welcome trying2loveagain,

Why don't you start your own thread and tell us about yourself. There is a lot of support and helpful information here. So very sorry to hear that you have found your self in this situation. Unfortunately, it isn't as small a club as it feels like. There are, unfortunately, too many of us walking this same story.

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OC born: 7-23-09
no COM: tried 6 years frown
D filed 5/05/2011
D final 11/10/11
I was gaslighted for 2 years.

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Originally Posted by Pepperband
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The main thrust of this message is that time goes by fast, life is short, so live it the way you choose. Quit wasting time and energy on a situation that you can't change. Deal with it the way YOU want to and move on. Stand up for what you want and then let it go. Life has so much coming at you. And (less the ow types think otherwise, being simple minded and all....), why waste your time being down. Bad things happen too. People get sick, some die, some have car accidents, etc. Why waste today, a perfectly good day letting some little situation wreck it? Save your energy for the big stuff. Save it for when your daughter takes your car and along with her friends gets into an accident.....yes that happened to us. You want to talk heartbreak and fear....learning that was far far more traumatic then having to pay child support. Or how about when the family dog has to be put to sleep? That hurts to the core. So when I say the oc is just a detail, I mean it. Having an oc in your life (contact or not) is not life threatening, it can't kill you. Just chose what you want, and get moving and go live your life. You don't have to sit in a corner and cry for the next 20-30-40-50-60 years about this. Heck no. Deal with it and move on!!! If your ow is upset, who care? HER FEELINGS DON'T MATTER NOR DO THEY COUNT. If you are going for contact, remember your husband has just as much right to his child as she does. Don't let her walk on your family, she has no right to do so. If you don't want contact, don't. It is none of her business why you do or don't anyway. That is a decision made within your marriage, for your family. Just make a decision, get LEGAL ADVICE, work out the details and go and live your life! And go enjoy your family, let your husband seduce you and let him proove to you how sorry he is for what he has done to you. Enjoy holidays and birthdays and vacations. Enjoy family nights at the movies or having picnics in your home in the dead of winter....HAVE FUN. If he proves worthy, forgive him and love again. You will learn to trust again. Then someday, you will meet or learn of some woman, in the same situation you are in right now. You will be able to reach out to her and tell her that you understand how hurt she is. How scared she is. You will be able to support her through it. You will remember the fear and the pain and the anger. But you will also remember that life went on. That you and your husband had a rough spot, worked it out. You will tell her that you are happy with your life and that there is a future! There is life after all of this. Good and bad things happen all the time. So deal with this situation and move past it. Otherwise you are giving away perfectly good days! I remember I did that. I remember wasting time too. I had a dear friend kick me in the pants and shove me back to living. I will forever love her for her support and kindness, heck even for her screaming at me to get up and go shopping. I adore her!!

So, dear sweet hurting cyber friends, don't let this destroy you. Stand up. Be strong. Fix your hair, makeup, square up your shoulders and get living!!!! Cause someday this will just be something that happened.

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