<BR>I hope that you both read this..I hope that you weren't completely repelled, Packrat and I would like to apologize for the way your initiation to MB went along.<P>I don't presume to apologize for the people and their opinions - they are entitled to them...<P>I do apologize for my not being here to greet you in a more positive way....I really hope that you can reopen yourself up to checking out MB again. It is a wonderful site to learn about achieving a balanced relationship. Whether that is with or without your H!!<P>Everyone can benefit by the principles outlined by Dr. Harley. The basics of these principles are more for you (the reader of them)!! They teach us how to become better, wiser and more compassionate people. They help us to realize that there is a dynamic in EVERY relationship (not just a romantic one!), and that we only have control and responsibility over our part in one.<P>Please stay around to read....at least. There is so much to be gained!!!<P>To Packrat's H....I am sorry that we have let you down. You may have felt hopeful that your wife would see what a wonderful and helping place this is and unfortunately, that was not the initial circumstance. I hope all is not lost and that Packrat will find it in her heart to start anew here. I know that I will certainly be here to converse with her if she does.<P>To everyone on MB....<P>I know that emotions run high..I know that we have certain understandings about how, what, why, etc. people do fall into this situation.....<P>Please realize what is happening and find some patience and compassion before posting your thoughts (be they right or wrong!). WHAT we say can make or break a person's taking a chance and actually trying to understand what we are learning!!!<P>What we have accomplished by jumping on Packrat is shoot down any hopeful thoughts of her husband on this site actually helping their relationship!!!!<P>I am not here to do that!!! I don't think that you are either!!<P>What if it was you who brought your WS here and they were met that way? I don't care what you think her "attitude" was...some of us have had some pretty strong attitudes of our own, right? It isn't until we open up and learn that we start seeing another side to our pain and confusion.....<P>Be kind....Teach with Love!!!<P>HUGS to ALL,<P>Sheba

SHEBA,<BR> You are right. I jumped on her and I was wrong. If my W came here I would hope she'd be treated better. <P> I just hurt for her H and frankly, myself. I'm sick and tired of hearing the attitude she had about this. MOVE ON YOU LOSERS!!! IT'S HOPELESS!!!<P> This is hard enough without hearing that and the thought of hearing it from my W crossed my mind. Hence, my anger for HER H who must have DIED when he read it. I felt for him. Well, I'm working on it.<BR> Please be patient, God isn't finished with me yet. I love Ya FRANK

PH - thank you for acknowledging that we can do better!!! Here's a BIG HUG!!<P>Now go out and play nice!!! (pat on head and a lollipop!!!) lol!!!<P>To Packrat's H - Sorry Neo.... I forgot how to spell your board name - and I just came from your thread too!! Ah, I do remember what it was like to have a brain that functioned!!! lol!!<P>Anyway, I just wanted you to see this and I will keep you and your wife in my prayers....also your son!!! I hope that she gets a hold on her emotions soon, if not for you and her - at least for him.<P>You both cannot be tug-a-warring with a child!!! That is just out of control..<P>Packrat - please come and talk with us. We can help you through this....we can help you sort things out and do things the right way for all concerned - whatever the outcome. <P>You are not unique in anything that you are doing or feeling....we have seen it and lived it. WE KNOW what you are dealing with and we do have concern and compassion for it.<P>BIG HUGS,<P>Sheba