Since you are coming here, I will give you something new to read...<P>I do not come here to slam my husband...and I don't really care if you get slammed a bit. I present my 'stuff' in a realistic manner...I HAVE EVEN TAKEN RESPONSIBILITY FOR WHAT I HAVE DONE IN MY MARRIAGE. Have you? I am making the necessary changes so that I can grow and learn from this experience...ARE YOU? <P>I come here to find out how to rebuild my marriage. My one and only marriage...(as opposed to what...your 4?). You really ought to take a look at your life and discover why you are never satisfied with the man you have. What is missing in your life? What is missing in you?<P>I challenge you to read the basic concepts of the Harleys. I challenge you to take a good look at your life and your commitments and to make the necessary changes that will make your life with your husband and children better.<P>If you never learn from history, you are doomed to repeat the pattern for life....<P><BR>His Wife<P>

Cali?<P>Do I understand this right .. the OW is on the board?<P>I hope if she is, that she accepts your challenge by reading all about how an Affair is a destructive fantasy, an addiction, that devistates everyone in it's path.<P>That being only human, people can get caught up in an Affair because their needs were not being met by their loving spouses. That just because we love and married someone doesn't mean we "intuitively" know their emotional needs. And when we stray to another (OP) for that unmet need, doesn't mean we truly "LOVE" that OP, it simply means we got a need met by them.<P>I pray that Princess will read all she can here, and I pray her conscience will guide her to doing the "RIGHT" thing.<P>Because Princess .... doing the right thing is not always easy, but you'll be able to look yourself in the mirror without wincing and feel freedom from guilt.<P>God Bless,<BR>Jo<P>------------------<BR>"Remain flexible like a reed, as opposed to an oak which can snap in the wind"<p>[This message has been edited by Resilient (edited June 29, 2001).]

Princess:<P>Hello in the fog! You there?<P>(WAT get the transporter room ready, got another one to beam to the Mothership.)<P>STL

<P>HA!!!!!!

I don't think she has posted yet...message on voicemail said "she went to message board and it was painful to read...boy did I slam H and her as well..."<P>So she is reading...thought I'd give her some more material.<P>Cali

Cali:<P>This board could give her volumes and volumes. Do we have a Fogese translation of these boards?<P>Godspeed,<BR>STL

TEGA EMOSE PLEHE TELE TIE OGE EVOME YAWAE MORFE EHTE DEIRRAME NAME!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! THERE FOGESE for GET SOME HELP!LET IT GO! MOVE AWAY FROM THE MARRIED MAN!!!!!!!!!!!<BR>I am also fluent in jacka** if anyone needs help there too LOL ((((((((((((((((((HUGS CALI))))))))))))))<BR>Maine<P>------------------<BR>IN the words of BOB the BUILDER!!" WE can fix it, yes we can!!!"

Ohhhh... do we HAVE to transport them to the mother ship? Can't we transport them ... direct to the vacuum of space?<P>(not feeling particularly loving and generous about people who interfere with the marriages of others)<BR><P>------------------<BR>terri<BR><B>Courage</B><P>Whatever course you decide upon,<BR>there is always someone to tell you<BR>that you are wrong.<P>There are always difficulties arising<BR>which tempt you to believe that your <BR>critics are right.<P>To map out a course of action <BR>and follow it to an end <BR>requires courage.<P><I>Ralph Waldo Emerson</I>

And doubly not feeling too good about people who invade safe places where hurt betrayed spouses come to vent and get support...<P>ET go home!!

Sheryl, I'm sending you email if you are still online.<P>terri

OMG! He ran and told OW huh? LOL!! OK. Sounds about right. I guess should feel at home reading a bunch of stuff from sophmoric deviant zealots like us. <P>

Gee, Cali, I though even YOUR WS would have enough respect for you to protect your privacy from OW...ugh..that's nasty!!!!<P>Is there no limit to what they will do????? Makes me feel dirty somehow...that my private thoughts might be available to OW...kinda like reading someone's diary. All because you wanted to help him understand.<P>Well, I hope she didn't like what she read....and she deserves to be given a bad rap...only wish for your sake it could be with "Butterfly's" frying pan. LOL.<P>Faye

Good, thought maybe I was being too sensitive. I made him cranky during our night out to celebrate his birthday...because i told him I did not appreciate sending her to this board....it is MY place to vent.<P>I told him I made a mistake sending him here...I was hoping he would read the "other" stuff....basic concepts, et.al. and ask questions...not dump on people who have been supporting me.<P>He read 1 page of my post...Waiting for the Fallout...I told him to get an accurate view of what I wrote and how people advised me he need to read ALL my posts...<P>Anyway...OW is bent on portraying me in a negative light...not to be surprised...so anything I 'say' would be filtered. For heaven's sake, my telling her I was clean of STD's and that my H was still intimate with me came back to him as me calling her and saying 'vile' stuff.<P>Makes you go hmmmmm.<P>Cali

Cali<P>{{{{{hugs}}}}}<P>And what are you still doing up at this hour?<P>Z<P>------------------<BR>He loves not who does not show love.<BR>----William Shakespeare

Cali:<P>Am I being sophomoric and zealous if I ask you if the foghorn sounds echo in their heads?<P>By the way, have they coordinated with WAT for a time to be schedule for transport to the Mothership. Usually he accepts them on a walk-in basis, but he's been REALLY busy lately and now an appointment is necessary.<P>Godspeed,<BR>STL

UGHHHHHHH!!!!!! This just pi%$es me off so bad. These OW come here to spy and for nothing else. They are in the business on WREAKING marriages and families, not BUILDING them. <P>My OW (hate to call her anything of mine) posted on here in Dec and Jan. She thinks this led to my WS breaking up with her. Since they have "reunited," she no longer posts but you can bet your last dollar that she is still reading. That is why this is my first post since WS left again. <P>Though this board is a wonderful place for support, I have no desire to allow her even a glimpse of my life.<P>I hate these OW (sorry to those posting here who are trying to get out of affairs). In my experience, they are all manipulative, selfish, and self-centered, especially you, Karen (aka Opposite shoes)!!!<P>Princess (what an ego!): you have no right to come here! You are using things Cali has said to JUSTIFY to HER husband. It hurts you to come here? Whatever!!! You sound just like Karen who says "she has done wrong," yet continues to do it! This is from someone who called the police on me and had me arrested!!!! With WS's help, of course.<P>To all of you OW and WS not seeking recovery - keep justifying what you are doing, keep telling yourselves and each other that everyone will be ok in the end because your love is meant to be. And while you are at it, read some research on what divorce does to the children. But then, had you cared enough about ANYONE but yourselves, you wouldn't be where you are right now, would you?<P>TM (and Trying to move on)

Cali,<BR>Do I read correctly your H's OW, who has been married 4 other times bad mouths YOU??? and comes here to SPY???<P>well I believe in this situation, you fight fire with fire..<BR>This OW has been married 4 other times, go to the court records and find her X husbands( the internet is great for this stuff), I wonder what wonderful things THEY have to say about this person who screws another womans husband, and then spys on her and uses her pain to BAD mouth her. I bet they all have nice things to say (NOT!!!)...if she is going to be the pon scum she is ...get the goods on her...you can share with your H, and all of us... what a crock this (i hesitate to use the word woman) person is. Cali's OW you seriously need to get a life...and your OWN LIFE...leave Cali and her family alone...you are a piece of work. It is very easy to get married...it takes a special person to stay that way...you (cali's OW) dont qualify...now shue....

Any OP who comes here in search of support in ending the A and restoring theirs or other's marriages, I welcome with open arms. Any OP who wants understanding of what they have done, I welcome with open arms. Hey, the other point of view has been welcomed here as well - everyone appreciates good discussion, even the odd heated discussion!<P>Any OP who comes to flaunt, and be hurtful - I redirect you to other sites: gloryb.com, affairs-help.com has a forum specifically for those still involved in affairs, and if you are committed to your affair, philanderers.com is for you.<P>There you will get the kind of "help" you are looking for.<BR>On this forum we want to rebuild marriages, our love, our self esteem, our families. <P>