Just a quickie this morning - WH ended up staying the night last night and we are off on our mini-vacation in a couple of hours! <P>The downside is - he hasn't been sleeping well and seems a bit impatient with the kids - so I'm just hoping & praying that they'll behave themselves! <P>This is what I found out last night...<BR>* I asked about the situation with OW, and he says that he is still 'friends' with her - he's obviously not happy about this, it seems to be her decision and he wanted more - so he's hurt.<BR>* He still keeps referring to his apartment as 'home' which upsets me a bit - and is still dropping the odd comment about things he needs to buy for it, so I don't think there's any plans for him to come back to me yet.<BR>* On the good side - he says that he thinks he's starting to sort himself out. He's still being completely honest with me about his feelings and says that he doesn't want to make any promises (doesn't want to hurt me again, so he has to be sure). <BR>* I told him that he had 'moose brain worms' and he'd be OK in the end.... <BR>* I also told him that HE would have to remove my wedding ring from my finger if he wanted a divorce and I didn't think that he could bring himself to do that. He didn't reply - but he hasn't said he wants a divorce since the week after d-day.<BR>* I could tell he wasn't comfortable sleeping in our bed last night - he was tossing and turning all night and went 'home' to shower and get changed first thing this morning.... <P>I think the fog is starting to clear - slowly - but am worried because things never reached any sort of closure with the OW - there were no big LB's, and they're still in contact, so his feelings for her are remaining at a standstill. All I can do is Plan A, Plan A, Plan A....<P>Hope you all have a Happy Independance Day, I have to dash off and pack now! - hugs, Paint.

Paint:<P>I'm so very happy to hear signs of progress. Mind if I steal that line about the wedding ring?<P>Thanks,<BR>zen

Hang in there, Paint! Plan A is like a nor'easter wind that helps clear-out the fog. You're doing a wonderful job....keep up the good work.<P>------------------<BR><B>Time heals all wounds as long as you DON'T pick at them!</B>

Paint:<P>Progress is progress. Happy 4th!<P>Godspeed,<BR>STL

JK,<P>Paint, good job, but I would refrain from conversation about the OW, un less he brings it up.<P>Re: teh Weeding ring.<P>Mine took hers off in F=eburary as she said it wasn't a marriage.<P>I took my off when we officeilly moved in to seperate houses. She asked me once about why I didn't wear mine. I replyed, <P>1 I feel like a fool wearing it<BR>2 Its very depressing to wear it.<BR>3 I want a new one (symbolizing a new or renewed marraige.<P>Any advice, should I wear it, FYI, my daughter (4.5) asked me out of the blue the other day, why I wasn't wearing it.<P>I told her it was on my dresser.<P>JK

Paint,<P>I hope all goes well on your holiday. Don't know how you do this. It must be so hard. <P>As for closure with the OW. Some things die a wimpering death. Perhaps this is the case with his relationship with the OW. The closure he will get might very well be within himself. More of a closure to this stage of his life, instead of that relationship. He is obviously not getting many of his ENs met by her so he will not have much to lose in coming back to you.<P>As for the lack of sleep. A doctor suggested that I use some kind of antihistamine (Benadryl). This is what is in many sleeping pills and it's a lot cheaper.<P>Happy 4th<P>Z<P>------------------<BR>He loves not who does not show love.<BR>----William Shakespeare