Just let her be.. let her crash and burn on her own.. let her reap the rewards that she has sown. Let her fall on her<BR>own face.<P>Well Geee - Husband2you, I must say you are full of ematy (do you know that word???) No wonder you are a BS!!! communication must have sucked in your marriage!!!!!<P>TW - thanis for the support I raelly was feeling for the BW/M but after you candid remark - who cares????? - **** YOU!!!!!'<P>I apologise to all the good people here but enough is enough even for me...<P>

Does that mean you're leaving? Please come back when you're feeling like really communicating with us (and maybe not drinking??? - could be wrong on that one...)

Interesting that you can judge others in your current status/situation....have a nice day!<P>

YOU fired the first shot across the bow of OUR ship. A vessel where your welcome to come, if you can maintain some decency. <P>By the way...<P>Empathy<P>1 : the imaginative projection of a subjective state into an object so that the object appears to be infused with it<BR>2 : the action of understanding, being aware of, being sensitive to, and vicariously experiencing the feelings, thoughts, and experience of another of either the past or present without having the feelings, thoughts, and experience fully communicated in an objectively explicit manner; also : the capacity for this <P>------------------<BR>Husband2You<BR>*****<BR>Don't make me promises <BR>Baby you never did know how to keep them well <BR>I've had the rest of you <BR>Now I want the best of you <BR>It's time for show and tell<P>'All or Nothing' © 2001 O-Town

HF..<P>I really would like for you to take a moment and get to know the people you just violated.<P>Start with me.. You singled me out.. why? Was it my comment about getting back on your knees?? Was it my comment about you falling on your face? <P>I don't know how long you have been in this relationship with your MM.. but I doubt you have seen the carnage that I have. That the others have. The destruction that we have felt.<P>Yes I am the BS.. Is that bad? NO.<BR>Does it hurt? YES.<P>Your the OW.. is that bad? YES.<BR>Do you hurt? YES.<P>Do I feel for you. YES<P>I am not sorry for the comments I made to you. You came attacking and ALL of our defenses went up.<P>Just because your drinking doesn't give you the right to blame it on that. <P>I can tell you that the pain you feel isn't even surmountable to what any of us have been through. The only why you will know is if HE leaves his wife.. divorces her.. and marries you. Then when he cheats on you, and your here.. only then you will understand. There are several members here that are going through that.. Only now do they feel what they only thought they felt before.<P>If I was such the pitiful husband that she says I was, she should have had the respect for OUR children to just leave and not go F* someone and blame me for it. Your blaming you MM's W for his behavior with you and that is totally wrong. If he was so concerned on how he was being treated.. then he would have had respect for himself.. and left her respectfully. But he wasn't concerned about that.. because you have been F*ing him this whole time. Is he in any better place today with you than he was with her?? I doubt it.<P>Want to know about me.. and my pain.. then look with all your wisdom and help me. Show me the empathy that you have and help. I didn't deserve anything that my wife has done in the last 3 years HF.. <P> <A HREF="http://www.marriagebuilders.com/forum/Forum37/HTML/010976.html" TARGET=_blank>http://www.marriagebuilders.com/forum/Forum37/HTML/010976.html</A> <BR> <A HREF="http://www.marriagebuilders.com/forum/Forum37/HTML/010714.html" TARGET=_blank>http://www.marriagebuilders.com/forum/Forum37/HTML/010714.html</A> <BR> <A HREF="http://www.marriagebuilders.com/forum/Forum37/HTML/011065.html" TARGET=_blank>http://www.marriagebuilders.com/forum/Forum37/HTML/011065.html</A> <BR> <A HREF="http://www.marriagebuilders.com/forum/Forum37/HTML/010981.html" TARGET=_blank>http://www.marriagebuilders.com/forum/Forum37/HTML/010981.html</A> <BR> <A HREF="http://www.marriagebuilders.com/forum/Forum37/HTML/010792.html" TARGET=_blank>http://www.marriagebuilders.com/forum/Forum37/HTML/010792.html</A> <BR> <A HREF="http://www.marriagebuilders.com/forum/Forum35/HTML/001674.html" TARGET=_blank>http://www.marriagebuilders.com/forum/Forum35/HTML/001674.html</A> <BR> <A HREF="http://www.marriagebuilders.com/forum/Forum18/HTML/000274.html" TARGET=_blank>http://www.marriagebuilders.com/forum/Forum18/HTML/000274.html</A> <P>And this was me.. a very long time ago..when I posted under a different name.. <BR> <A HREF="http://www.marriagebuilders.com/forum/Forum37/HTML/002785.html" TARGET=_blank>http://www.marriagebuilders.com/forum/Forum37/HTML/002785.html</A> <BR> <A HREF="http://www.marriagebuilders.com/forum/Forum1/HTML/007210.html" TARGET=_blank>http://www.marriagebuilders.com/forum/Forum1/HTML/007210.html</A> <BR> <A HREF="http://www.marriagebuilders.com/forum/Forum31/HTML/001118.html" TARGET=_blank>http://www.marriagebuilders.com/forum/Forum31/HTML/001118.html</A> <BR> <A HREF="http://www.marriagebuilders.com/forum/Forum35/HTML/000688.html" TARGET=_blank>http://www.marriagebuilders.com/forum/Forum35/HTML/000688.html</A> <BR> <A HREF="http://www.marriagebuilders.com/forum/Forum1/HTML/011487.html" TARGET=_blank>http://www.marriagebuilders.com/forum/Forum1/HTML/011487.html</A> <BR> <A HREF="http://www.marriagebuilders.com/forum/Forum31/HTML/001574.html" TARGET=_blank>http://www.marriagebuilders.com/forum/Forum31/HTML/001574.html</A> <P>So HF.. go ahead and try you hand where I have been. If you have then help. That is what we are all here for and none of us want to be attacked or see our friends of 1, 2 or 3!!! years be attacked by some OW, who showed up smelling of booze.<P>You want our help than sober up.<P>------------------<BR>Husband2You<BR>*****<BR>Don't make me promises <BR>Baby you never did know how to keep them well <BR>I've had the rest of you <BR>Now I want the best of you <BR>It's time for show and tell<P>'All or Nothing' © 2001 O-Town

H2U--I'm not sure she meant empathy. Not your fault (as her spelling is not great). . . I'm pretty sure she was saying you're full of enmity. *smile* <BR>I usually try not to dog someone for spelling/grammar, regardless of how horrible and annoying it is. But when an adult presents himself, as a child does, by "using big words" when he or she can't spell them. . . Well, that leaves me wondering whether or not that person (be it an adult or child) even knows what those big words mean, or whether they simply are trying to make themself sound knowledgable. And to follow that up by challenging other people "do you even know what that means?". . . It makes me fairly amused! Humblefish. . . Do YOU even know what "ematy" means?

up to see the hidden message on this one<P>ha-ha good one too!<p>[This message has been edited by Faith1 (edited July 27, 2001).]

ematy:<P>A greeting by sailors that had one too many drinks! <BR>Pronounced: Aye Maetee...<P>hehehe!!<P>Sorry...just couldnt resist

Holding Her Hand and all,<P>Humblefish (aka dorkfish) claims to be from some country in northern Europe. Since English is not her first language that would explain some of her problems with the language. (Sorry dorkfish, don’t get your scales up, but I do not recall every detail of your story.)<P>From we now know it is very likely what that is a lie too.<P>Folks in case you have not seen the post, she has been playing with us. This is entertainment to HumbleFish. So don’t worry about hurting her feelings for trying to teach her anything, or empathizing with her. It’s all a bad joke.<P>Z<P>------------------<BR>He loves not who does not show love.<BR>----William Shakespeare

The words "Bite Me" come to mind, but I am sure she says that to the MM that she *loves* so much, so not wasting my breath seems a better tactic, since anything I would say wont matter to El Denso anyway!<P>

Gee, I'm so glad I brought these to the top - I think!?!? tee-hee STL and Trueheart needed something to do tonight. LOL!<p>[This message has been edited by Faith1 (edited July 27, 2001).]

Faith, <P>You are my idol!! <P>Thank you for allowing me the opportunity to OW bash some bimbo...HEHE!! Ahhh...now I feel better!<P>Trueheart

Dorkfish:<P>Ematy ... hmmm, a phrase you are familiar with, no doubt, hanging around foggy streetlit wharves and propositioning wayward sailors.<P>As for determining that H2Y "sucked" in communication in his marriage ... you, of course, being the definitive expert on sucking can surely pass judgment.<P>Hey TW ... You got 4 stars from Dorkfish!<P>Here is another link for you ... and it has a forum too! <A HREF="http://www.4-lane.com/supportchat/pages/alanonchat.html" TARGET=_blank>http://www.4-lane.com/supportchat/pages/alanonchat.html</A> ... as they say bottoms up (is that in drinking or with the OM, by the way).<P>Well, Dorkie, dinner calls or I would let the fun continue ...<P>Godspeed,<BR>STL

Dorkfish:<P>Let me ellucidate on TrueHeart's use of the word "bimbo" ... he did not mean the itsy-bitsy-cutesy deer in the Walt Disney movie.<P>bim·bo [bímb ] (plural bim·bos) noun (slang) <BR>1. an offensive term that deliberately insults a woman's intelligence while implying that she is good-looking<BR>2. an offensive term for a man or woman who is regarded as being unintelligent or superficial<BR>[Early 20th century. Origin uncertain: probably from Italian, "baby, small child."]<P>Note that in definition 1., it is only <I>implied</I> that you are good looking. The rest of the definition, however, hits the mark.<P>STL