Hi folks,<p>Well, we’ve had threads for things WS says to BS, things BS says to WS, but have we had one for sappy / mushy / manipulative things OP has said to WS?<p>Here’s mine… WW told me that OM said this to her… he looked at the palm of her hand (undoubtedly was holding it tenderly – blech!)… said he’s never seen someone with two lines running down the palm to the wrist – said that one line represented her life with me, the other represents her life with him – OMG what a load of crap!!! This was about 2 weeks after d-day that she told me this. She took my hand and lo-and-behold, I have 2 lines too!! Well she started bawling at that (must have told her that yes, I have another life out there too, confirming her affair must be destiny).<p>So folks, check your palms please and let me know if anyone DOESN’T have 2 lines, okay? My guess is that this is a crock of **** that speaks to his predatory character. (No I’m not going to bring it up with her… just thought others might have similar stories that we can collectively vomit at [img]images/icons/smile.gif" border="0[/img] )<p>
Anyhow… let me stick a quick update in here too while I’m kind of venting…<p>I’ve come to see my Plan A as a guerilla war: lob a Plan A grenade up against her wall, run back a bit, let it explode and hope a crack or two forms in the wall. I think it works pretty well. Let me illustrate. Last night, we went and got some pizza at a popular place we haven’t tried before. She was pretty tired, but we talked a bit, like friends. The place was packed, so we took a walk around the area waiting to take it home – she was kind of distant, paused in front of a few places that had an Asian theme (recall OM is Korean). I keep the conversation “happy” and “simple”. We get home, we agree it’s the best pizza we’ve had since we moved, some more talk, she goes to bed. No LB’ing in sight.<p>In the morning, I very casually mention that my back’s a bit sore, and she very willingly volunteers to massage it. Gets out the massage cream and goes to work – does my back, legs, thighs (ack!). And she starts some relationship talk. I don’t stop it per se, but keep my responses simple. She says that she now thinks of me as almost 2 different people: “sweet J.R.” and “distant J.R.”. Huh – she’s at least got a vision of a “sweet me” now. This, I think, tends to prove that Plan A has slowly made some cracks in that wall. She even mentions a nice thing I’d done for her a long time ago, before we were married – I’d forgotten about it myself! So on the surface, it looks like her Giver is awakened a bit. Those possible cracks in the wall I think are formed by me not LB’ing, being a friend, being charming, being attractive, not pressuring, and being agreeable. Of course, I notice that she then shifts back to “distant J.R.” and admits that once she starts thinking about that, it kind of takes over her mind. She talks then about the litany of things that troubled her in the past – and my response? I agree. I keep my responses simple and consistent with Plan A. She has nothing left after a while, I thank her profusely for the massage, we go for a run together.<p>(I see cases where she seems to let her gaurd down, and once she realizes it, tries to "patch" those cracks in the wall - but by not LB'ing, I think she has limited success.)<p>Then she mentions that she needs to go to work today (Saturday) – trust me, she used some rather weak excuses. Hmm. I’m not stupid WW. You’ve been away for a couple of weeks - without sex – I know what you’re up to. So I don’t LB, I say “have fun”. I wonder whether her actions in the morning are now out of guilt. But you know, I lobbed my grenade, and now I think I need to retreat a bit. I need to foreshadow a bit. I’m going to do some cleaning (DS), some shopping (FS), then pack myself a few items and drive up the coast a bit. Find a nice inn for the evening, and do some writing (a pass-time). I’ll leave a note that I got this idea – kind of spontaneous, I know (another complaint of the past, addressed!). I suspect she’d have a couple of things to consider: she’s missing out on a nice time (one that would be tough with OM - no $, car, clue, etc.), where the heck am I, and yes, I can have fun by myself. It’s doing something nice for myself in the end – I value that.<p>Then tomorrow, I’ve got a group hike in the AM, and after that, will make the trip to the town where she works and OM lives – and have my chat with him – if I can track him down. When I get back home, we can briefly chat about that – very non-LB’ing.<p>So… a plan is always good. I feel like I’m doing all I can. Which is good – I will walk into Plan B feeling good on many levels.<p>[ March 02, 2002: Message edited by: J.R. ]</p>

Hi J.R.<p> Great plan A, I am impressed! I still haven't been able to successfully not LB when I have triggers of my H's A. It's great that you can keep your wits about you. What mushy thing has the OW said to my H? I don't know much about what they talked about, but when they first began having the A, and she was just separated from her H, she told him to please not screw her over, because she had been so hurt in the past. Barf! It obviously didn't bother her to hurt anyone else, now did it? Nope, she kept right on doing her part to help destroy my life and that of my children even to go and supply drugs to him. That sure sounds like someone who loves you a lot, doesn't it? The whole thought just makes me ill! <p>I guess I am having a bad day today. I feel very bitter right now about the destruction to our lives caused by my H and how we are all now reaping what he has sown. Maybe I'd better go pray for some peace and serenity today, I surely need it. Carmen

<blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><hr>Originally posted by J.R.:
<strong>Hi folks,<p>Well, we&#8217;ve had threads for things WS says to BS, things BS says to WS, but have we had one for sappy / mushy / manipulative things OP has said to WS?<p>[ March 02, 2002: Message edited by: J.R. ]</strong><hr></blockquote><p>I don't know of all their conversations, only the last weeks worth. The ow told my H that he'd make cute babies.. <barf!!> She also told me that her fiancee beat her up after telling him about my hubby resulting in her losing a set of twins. (her b/f babies.. I guess)My H says he never knew of a b/f muchless her being preggers.

Good job J.R. Better than I ever did. How did you manage the massage without getting a little SF in? I was always weak about that with ex-h. <p>Let's see, <p>Stupid.
"I can't get pregnant, so we don't have to use anything."<p>Mushy.
"I love you more than she ever could, you are the only nice thing that has ever happened in my life."<p>Barfy.
"We can keep doing it while you figure out your feelings for her."<p>Duh.
Elizabeth

oops<p>[ March 02, 2002: Message edited by: justthewife ]</p>

i dont have mushy stuff-just a crappy one- she signed all her e-mail "YOUR PET"- my e-mail is jmeyerpet-it kills me everytime i have to type it. i know i have to change it,just stalling the inevitable.

OW use to say this all the time in her voice pages to H:<p>"I LUST you"<p>Guess it was a play with words ... (I love you) <GAG> <p>She's a SLUT<p>[ March 02, 2002: Message edited by: Resilient ]</p>

Hi J.R.,<p>Two lines here. <p>BIG AZZZ crock of [censored]. OM is so full of it,

Alright, I can't resist. My favorite:<p>OW writes WH letter. (i found) Mushy crap about how she needs someone who respects her enough to leave his wife for her? but my favorite part was her last lines, "keep this letter, for if we ever get back together I think someday our grandchildren would get a kick out of reading it" <p>WHAT???????????????????????????? She thinks that's something to be proud of? To brag to grandchildren about? Guess now we know how OW's get there start in life...........

Upon hearing that I kicked my H out of the house, OW#1 told him, "I would NEVER do that to you".<p>That IS true though. After all, she's still married, her and her H haven't shared a bed in YEARS, she's had at LEAST 3 EMA's.... and she hasn't kicked HER H out either.<p>She's just a glutton for self-punishment, I guess.<p>Karen

An update to the update... couldn't find OM, need an apt. # or I'm just wasting my time... Am looking into it...<p>And yes, I doubt WW would even remember him telling her that stupid line about the palms... she'd hate to know the truth, so why check it out, eh? (Reminds me of the ancient Greeks - said that women had inferior intelligence because they had fewer teeth - yet they failed to even count - they're the same! Oh well, everything WW says is Greek to me LOL [img]images/icons/smile.gif" border="0[/img] )

Stupid, mushy and barfy? Well I am not sure what category to put it in so here goes:<p>OW's voicemail to WS: "why did you leave me? Don't you know that you are commiting 'emotional adultery' to me when you went back to your W? How could you do that to me?"<p>OW (as repeated by WS): 'I want to have your baby.'<p>OW (as repeated by WS): 'I am ignorant about being pregnant.' (she is 45 years old - claims to have been a biology major - when is she going to learn?!?!!?)<p>OW when she called our home phone and I answered:
BS: Hello
OW: This is OW let me speak to WS.
BS: I am sorry, he is asleep right now (she called
after 11pm on a weeknight).
OW: Cusses up a storm. Demands to speak to WS.
BS: Hold on a minute lady, you don't need to talk to me like that.
OW: "Yes, I'm a lady and you're not." <p>OW in an e-mail to WS: '.....you owe me $998.00 per month for rent and expenses. .....When you move in with me here are the requirements (about 16 items)...<p>1. Not speak or see W for 1 year.
2. Pick up son only on weekends and at a neutral spot (no friends or relatives home).....neutral? Like a parking lot?
3. WS not allowed to go to family's home ever.
4. All mail must be sent to a PO box for 1 year.
(OW has a thing for PO boxes she at least 2 in the region & more in the past).
.....'<p>OW's e-mail to me: 'I will feed WS better than you ever did. I will cook healthy and he will thrive and grow with me better than he has ever been with you. He will do better in business and we will travel and he will have everything he always wanted but you never let him have.'<p>hm......that is why he lost sooo much weight that the doctor said he was sick and looked terrible. That is why when with the OW and ONS, the WS went through over 10 jobs in 18 months. Hm....... you just gotta wonder. <p>L.