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#998623 05/04/02 10:33 PM
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To “forgive and forget” is just a popular saying. Forgiving and forgetting are two completely different notions, and rarely go together in the real world.<p>I've been thinking a lot about forgiveness, because my WW keeps saying "you haven't forgiven me", and "you have to forgive". In the meantime, the A and the lies continue, and even the whole story of the A up to now has not really come out. So I say, I think quite logically, "I'm ready to forgive, but how can I forgive before what I'm forgiving about stops?" and this seems a totally "weird" notion to my WW...anyway, I found a wonderful section of the book I'm finishing up, "After the Affair", about forgiveness, so I've transcribed selected parts of that chapter to share with everyone here. (If only my W would read it...)<p>here goes:
<blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><hr> Forgiveness
From “After the Affair” – Janis Abrahms Spring, PhD
Learning to forgive p. 238 (Excerpts)<p>If your goal is reconciliation, forgiveness requires restitution. Forgiveness is a two-person process; you can’t forgive those who refuse to acknowledge and redress the harm they’ve caused you-you certainly can’t have a vital, intimate relationship with them.<p>“True forgiveness cannot be granted until the perpetrator has sought and earned it through confession, repentance, and restitution.” - Judith Lewis Herman<p>A partner who wants to be physically and psychologically connected to you must work to win forgiveness through specific concrete behaviors. Unearned forgiveness, like unrequited love, reinforces the assumption that it’s your job alone to stay attached, that your partner doesn’t need to share the burden of recovery. If you have even a shred of self-esteem, you’re likely to find this a dysfunctional notion.<p>“While reconciliation may be a desirable outcome, psychologically, forgiveness has to be earned. To forgive people who do not acknowledge the injury, or even worse, rationalize their injurious behavior as having been deserved (or justified), is to sustain the injury all over again.” Robert Lovinger (Clinical Psychologist) in “Religion and Counseling”<p>The truth is, however, that you, the hurt partner, won’t ever forget how you’ve been deceived, whether you forgive or not. Years later, you’ll still be able to recall the exact moment of the revelation, and all the gory details of the affair. You, the unfaithful one, are likely to want your partner to forgive and forget so that you can move on to a peaceful reconciliation, but you can’t rush the process. If you don’t attend to the damage you’ve caused, your partner probably will. <p>When you forgive, you don’t forget how you’ve been wronged, but you do allow yourself to stop dwelling on it. Your hurtful memories are likely to stay alive, but relegated to a corner of your mind. You continue to see the damage, but only as part of a picture that includes the loving times as well-the ones that remind you why you’ve chosen to stay together. The past may continue to sting, but it’s also likely to teach come important lessons and inspire you to do better.<p>Forgiving, in short, entails conscious forgetting, which Jungian analyst Clarissa Pinkola Estes describes as “refusing to summon up the fiery material…willfully dropping the practice of obsessing…, thereby living in a new landscape, creating anew life and new experiences to think about instead of the old ones.”<p>Unearned forgiveness is pseudo forgiveness. It’s something you grant, not because your partner deserves it, but because you feel pressured to, either by others or by romantic moralistic assumptions about what forgiveness means. Given rashly or prematurely, it buries the pain alive, and robs you and your partner of the chance to confront the lessons of the affair and properly redress each other’s wounds.<p>It is commonly assumed that forgiveness is not just a gift to your partner, but a gift to yourself, in service of your best self, and that it imbues you, the forgiver, with a sense of well-being, of psychological and physical health. By forgiving “you set a prisoner free, but you discover the real prisoner was yourself”.<p>The idea that forgiveness is categorically good for you is popular both with the general public and with professionals, but it hasn’t held up under study. In fact, it has been shown in some cases to be anti-therapeutic, spawning feelings of low self-worth in the person who forgives.<p>“A too ready tendency to forgive may be a sign that one lacks self-respect, and conveys-emotionally-either that we do not think we have rights or that we do not take our rights very seriously,” writes Jeffrie Murphy in “Forgiveness and resentment”.<p>Murphy goes on to point out that a willingness to be a doormat for others reveals not love or friendship, but what psychiatrist Karen Horney calls “morbid dependency.” My own clinical experience confirms that unearned forgiveness is no cure for intimate wounds; that it merely hides them under a shroud of smiles and pleasantries, and allows them to fester.<p>You may have been taught by family or religious leaders that forgiveness is a redemptive act-a form of self-sacrifice that good people make to their enemies. By forgiving, you demonstrate your compassion and innocence, and preserve, or create, an image of yourself as a martyr or saint.<p>Forgiveness by itself, however, is not admirable-unless, of course, you believe that silencing yourself and denying yourself a just solution is admirable. What you consider magnanimity may in fact be nothing but a way of asserting your moral superiority over your partner and freeing yourself from your own contributions to the affair. What you see as self-sacrifice may serve the larger purpose of putting your partner under your control, under a debt of gratitude that can never be fully repaid.<p>The problem with expedient forgiveness-forgiveness granted without any attitudinal or emotional change towards the offender-is that it’s likely over time to exacerbate feelings of depression and grief, and feed an underlying aggression toward your partner. Those who forgive too quickly tend to interact with false or patronizing sweetness, punctuated by sarcasm or overt hostility. The result is a relationship ruled by resentment, petty squabbles, numbness, surface calm, and self-denial- a relationship lacking both in vitality and authenticity.<p>A patient named Pat modeled expedient forgiveness when she put her husband’s affair behind her long before the two of them had examined its meaning and put it to rest. “I know Henry never stopped loving me,” she told me. “I don’t need him to beg for my pardon.” Eight years later, however, though Henry never strayed again, they were still stumbling over trust and intimacy issues.<p>As I’ve said, “making nice” settles nothing. If you want to pave the way for genuine forgiveness, you can’t sweep what happened under the table. You need your partner to understand your pain, feel remorse, apologize, and demonstrate a commitment to rebuilding the relationship. To heal, you need to forgive, but your partner must apply salve to your wounds, first.<p>(SC Note: I believe the above is exactly what may have happened after my WW's first affair, when we did not address the issues, did not fully understand what had happened and what needed to change, and the mere end of the relationship brought “forgiveness”.)<p>Self-Forgiveness
In addition to forgiving your partner for wronging you, you should consider forgiving yourself for the wrongs you’ve inflicted on your partner, your family, and yourself.
For you, the hurt partner, these wrongs might include:<p>• Being overly naïve, trusting too blindly, ignoring your suspicions about your partner’s infidelity;
• Blaming yourself too harshly for your partner’s betrayal;
• Tolerating or making excuses for your partner’s unacceptable behavior to preserve your relationship;
• Having such poorly developed concepts of self and love that you felt un-entitled to more;
• Hurting and degrading yourself for making unfair comparisons between yourself and the lover;
• Feeling so desperate to win your partner back that you acted in ways that humiliated you-in front of the lover, your family, your friends;
• Losing your sense of self; losing sight of what you value in yourself;
• Putting your kids in the middle by needing them to support you, love you, and take your side against the other parent;
• Being so upset by the affair that you weren’t there for your children;
• Isolating yourself unnecessarily; trying so hard to protect the feelings of your children and parents that you cut yourself off from their support;
• Contributing to your partner’s dissatisfaction at home (for example, by failing to take your partner’s grievances seriously; getting buried in your career or in the needs of your children; being too critical, unavailable, or needy).<p>You, the unfaithful partner, should consider forgiving yourself for:<p>• Feeling so needy, so entitled to get your needs met, that you violated your partner;
• Exposing your partner-the person you love, the parent of your children-to a life-threatening disease.
• Blaming your partner for your dissatisfaction, without realizing how your own misperceptions, misbehavior, and unrealistic expectations compromised your relationship;
• Developing attitudes that justified your deception and minimized the significance of your actions;
• Failing to confront your partner with your essential needs; acting in ways that blocked your partner from satisfying them;
• Having unrealistic ideas about mature love that rendered you incapable of tolerating disenchantments in your relationship;
• Having such poorly developed concepts of self and love that you didn’t know how to create and sustain intimacy, or feel satisfied in a committed relationship;
• Inflicting chaos on your children, family, and friends.<p>No matter how your partner may have contributed to your unhappiness at home, you, the unfaithful partner, are solely responsible for your deception, and need to forgive yourself for the harm you’ve cause by violating your covenant of trust. You may also want to forgive yourself for the hurt you’ve caused your children. This may be an easier task if you can teach them through your own example that two people who love each other can make mistakes, take responsibility for them, and work together to renew their lives together.
It may help you and your partner to forgive yourselves if you learn to accept yourselves as fallible, erring human beings-conditioned, confused, struggling to make the most of a life you neither fully understand nor control. Self-forgiveness doesn’t relieve you of responsibility for your words or actions, but it may release you from self-contempt and from a “crippling sense of badness” that makes you believe “I can’t do better.” With self-forgiveness, you bring a gentle compassion to your understanding of who you are and why you acted the way you did, and reclaim what you most value in yourself.
<hr></blockquote><p>[ May 05, 2002: Message edited by: Spacecase ]<p>[ May 05, 2002: Message edited by: Spacecase ]</p>

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Hi Space ~<p>I loved the Abhrams book. I have very similiar ideas about forgiveness, so I agree very much with the above quotes.<p>Your wife however, is simply using your lack of forgiveness as a justification (blaming you!) to continue doing something that she has no intention of stopping.<p>It's simply fog.<p>Just keep in mind that while you don't have to forgive her while she hasn't asked for or earned it, it doesn't mean you get to lovebust.<p>Your best bet is to simply accept that this is who she is, and treat her moral value system as different than yours, but with respect for her right to choose that system.<p>Then the question for you becomes not whether or not you have forgiven her, but whether or not you want someone with this moral value system in your life. <p>When approached from that perspective, Plan A becomes much easier.<p>Right now, you are both insisting that the other one change. She wants blanket permission to have her affair, guilt free (thats what she means by forgiveness) and you want her to say: Spacecase, you are right, I was awful, let me spend the rest of my life making it up to you!<p>Both of you are living in a fantasy world [img]images/icons/wink.gif" border="0[/img] <p>Instead of forgiveness, simply focus on acceptance, and loving detachment. Letting go of resentments is not the same as forgiveness, and letting go of resentments through acceptance and detachment will help you survive, no matter the outcome.

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Thanks BR;<p>Why would you say:
<blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><hr>and you want her to say: Spacecase, you are right, I was awful, let me spend the rest of my life making it up to you!<p>Both of you are living in a fantasy world <p> <hr></blockquote><p>I don't feel that at all...I want to get on with our lives, but I want to do it the right way...that's all.

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<blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><hr>Originally posted by Spacecase:
<strong>You may have been taught by family or religious leaders that forgiveness is a redemptive act-a form of self-sacrifice that good people make to their enemies. By forgiving, you demonstrate your compassion and innocence, and preserve, or create, an image of yourself as a martyr or saint.]</strong><hr></blockquote><p>Spacecase,<p>Thanks for posting this. This is one of the best articles on forgiveness I have ever seen posted here. <p>Forgiveness, from a religous standpoint, is often very MISUNDERSTOOD and used in a selfish manner to make the forgiver "look" or feel good. It is intended to be a lesson for the forgiven, but has been very distorted over time. <p>I often see posts on this website from well meaning Christians who think that they are obligated to offer up forgiveness WITHOUT STRINGS ATTACHED. And nothing could be further from the truth according to the Bible. The Bible clearly states that repentence is a requirement for forgiveness. Your post agrees exactly with the Bible's teaching:<p>Luke 17:3-4 "If your brother sins, rebuke him, and if he repents, forgive him. If he sins against you seven times in a day, and seven times comes back to you and says, 'I repent,' forgive him."<p>[ May 05, 2002: Message edited by: MelodyLane ]</p>

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Thanks, ML for the clarification.<p>I, for one, was always convinced that forgiveness without strings attached was the "christian" way...

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Thanks Spacecase, I really needed this today!

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<blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><hr>Originally posted by k9love:
<strong>Thanks Spacecase, I really needed this today!</strong><hr></blockquote><p>Glad to help! [img]images/icons/cool.gif" border="0[/img]

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Helpful post. I would caution everyone not to forgive too early like I did. I truly believed our revovery was steaming ahead, forgave my wife, then discovered a few days ago that she was still lying to me. I was working on forgiveness for OM when I learned he has no remorse whatsoever.<p>Forgiveness in an affair situation works only when it is dispensed freely and genuinely to someone who is truly remorseful for having behaved in a way that causes so much pain to others.

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BrambleRose;<p>I'm curious as to why you said what you said...

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I have posted extensively on Biblical forgiveness as opposed to a pervasive Christian misteaching that we are to forgive the unrepentant. What I have pointed out is that the Almighty God of the Universe only forgives the repentant sinner, so why on earth do people teach that we are somehow more omnipotent than God that we should go beyond what God Himself does and forgive the unrepentant sinner!?! Not only is it completely contrary to what the Bible teaches, it is amazing arrogance to think you can actually do that!<p>I think somehow that the instruction not to withhold forgiveness got perverted into this blanket forgiveness to free yourself. In the past, I actually bought into this and attempted to do it until I finally recognized I simply was not capable of being a better god than God. It was much more freeing to be honest with myself and with God that I HATED the person who harmed me and wished him to suffer as he made me suffer and ask for God's help with those feelings.<p>The true Biblical teaching is that we are to forgive the repentant sinner and leave vengence to the Lord.<p>And I agree that Spring has nailed the concept down with impeccable logic, reason, and grace. She explains it better than I have previously seen.<p>[ May 06, 2002: Message edited by: Conqueror ]</p>

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<blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><hr>Originally posted by Conqueror:
<strong>...I agree that Spring has nailed the concept down with impeccable logic, reason, and grace. She explains it better than I have previously seen.
</strong><hr></blockquote><p>I agree 100%; Spring's is the very best definition and explanation of forgiveness and how/when it works and doesn't work.


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