: Wicked, wicked grin :

Are you saying what I think you are saying, Weave?

"Party at Weaver's Place!" And on an island to boot! MB-style! Good friends, good music, good wine, and good times, LOL.

The Indian burial ground sounds so intriguing!! Manna for a wanna-be archaeologist's heart! Have you ever found any relics?

No, really, I've often wondered if we should have an MB social get-together of sorts, like an "MB cruise" with Harley as a speaker, etc. I'd save up for a year or more for something like that.

~Still

Well you wouldn't have to save up too much for this island SLH, it's very rustic. No running water, no electricity, lots of mosquito's, big cats that chase foxes...you get the picture. Actually there is water and electricity on the island, just not to our place.

And the burial ground is sacred...definately NO digging!

Wine is cool though. As is good music!

I meant my flight from TX to Yankee territory, LOL! I don't mind roughing it, I love to camp & fish; wish H did, too. *sigh*



I figured, but sometimes you can find the most amazing things revealed by the passage of time, simply by careful observation. No matter either way, it just seems neat, you know?

~ StillLovingHim

Graycloud said:
Don't know where to start!

Ha, I have been saying that for years, and then I make a mess of things. You actually started, and did well, so I don't know if I believe you anymore.


The classic "Sail On" I was talking about... the Bad Brains tune.

You were right, I know less than you. Who are the Bad Brains? You know, I probably don't need to know that, never mind.


I'll be going to an event this weekend, but I won't talk about it here.

I understand why, but I don't understand why - if you catch my drift.

SLH, I'm gaga for the ocean. Stupid, living in the middle of the continent. But you know, Weaver's lake is a beautiful, mysterious, really extraordinary place. I'm with you... mountains are nice, but the ocean is the ocean.

I can do an ocean poem for people that love the sea too - let me know.

SLH, like weaver - and you may have assumed this - I'm curious about you.

Yeah, inquiring minds want to know. You only told us a little bit. We need more details, or, a note from your second grade teacher telling us you are OK.

SS, funny. That poem has the same meter as the Bad Brains tune. Maybe the Bad Brains ripped it off, though theirs is about a breakup.

I think the bible says in one place "there is nothing new under the sun."

I think Love is new for the ones involved though. I hope you can tell us about that when it's time.

You said, "I think you will find the shore you are looking for."
SS, you know what? I will. I know it. It's still vague though, where I'm headed.

You are a good captain, I am sure you will find it. Sail into the sunset, but wear your sunglasses, I don't want you going blind on us.

Love you guys.
You know what? The feeling is mutual. You are lovable, do you know that?


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I met a girl........................

We talked for a few more minutes. I was being pulled in 15 directions, and got taken away again. I assumed I'd get another chance to talk to her, but it didn't happen.

I dig this girl. She was talkative and thoughtful. She's tall and very pretty.

This is not advice. It's........it's ........hmmm.
It's just a review.
Remember that romantic relationships are kind of risky by nature. Dating is something we do to find out about other people. It's a time to practice and experiment. It's a place for people to look for a mate, find a partner.

It's not a place to seek healing. It's low commitment, and high risk. If you are not healed when you begin, and you trust your feelings to someone but it doesn't work out, you will be worse off than had you waited.

You know all this stuff, and I think you are more ready than most, but let Weaver interview all the girls you go with first, and give them a passing grade before you date them.

Ah shucks, I think you'll do find, JUST BE CAREFUL........OK?

2long, I think I heard "A Salty Dog" but I can't remember for sure.
What does that mean?

FF, I don't know. I may have healed enough. Gotta admit though, it's funny that I spoke those words and only a few hours later spotted somebody I felt compelled to approach.

During the wedding, I felt serene, and happy for my brother. There was some sorrow, but my heart has grown calm. There isn't any struggle going on in there.

Perhaps you have found the shore.
Now, from the shore, do you get the feeling that there is a whole new continent waiting for you to explore?

From Weaver:
And SS, he's got the soul of an old hippy,... or maybe he is an old hippy!

From SLH:
And SS -- what would you call yourself, lol?

I feel LATE mostly - I can't believe I missed all this stuff.

SS thinks for a while.

Probably not a hippie. I never had the looks for it.
Hmmmm..............

I never thought about it much, I'm just SS.
Maybe 2long could tell you, I had lunch with him once.


SLH said:
No, really, I've often wondered if we should have an MB social get-together of sorts, like an "MB cruise" with Harley as a speaker, etc. I'd save up for a year or more for something like that.

This has been talked about a number of times, but never been done on a large scale - to my knowledge. I think it would be fun too - I think Graycloud would play, if you would sing????

Weaver, the island sounds like my kind of place. I love the outdoors, especially the places where It's quiet enough to think.

So much to read, and write, so little time.

SS

SLH:

Sorry, never answered you:

"2long, do you get to share your work with your wife?"

2 some extent where we overlap.

"How does she feel about it? Do you have similar passions?"

Similar, not the same. She's an archaeologist (and NO, she would not approve of digging holes in that island! Not without a certification from the state and research design and recordation and curation plan!).

She owns property in SS' state that's got a site on it. Thankfully, it's also a part of the country where I do a lot of my geological field work (Lake Bonneville basin).

Unfor2nately, RM is also an archaeologist, but in another state. They went 2 grad school 2gether. <img src="/ubbt/images/graemlins/frown.gif" alt="" /> She got her MS <img src="/ubbt/images/graemlins/smile.gif" alt="" />, he never finished his PhD <img src="/ubbt/images/graemlins/grin.gif" alt="" /> <img src="/ubbt/images/graemlins/grin.gif" alt="" />. He's got 2 kids and is now DV'd because of the A <img src="/ubbt/images/graemlins/rolleyes.gif" alt="" />. We've got 2 kids and are NOT DV'd because of the A! <img src="/ubbt/images/graemlins/grin.gif" alt="" />

-ol' 2long

SS, it was fun watching you try to catch up.

Regarding the beautiful and mysterious Annie, I'm thinking about her lots, but I'm sure I'll mellow out after a few days. Just remember, I've been alone for a year. I won't volunteer to be alone for another.

Wanna hear something else? My oldest brother (not the one who got married) told me today that this past weekend had a surprising side effect on him. He said that he's been feeling a tremendous amount of anger toward my wife during the last year, and he felt there was something very healing about seeing our brother married and seeing old friends and family. He said it sort of blew his mind.

As I've said already, I had a similar experience. I felt almost weightless during the weekend, from the moment I pulled away from my house.

My brother's best man gave me the coolest bumper sticker of all time. It says, "I'm not ***king stupid but I used to".

GC

gc:

I WANT that bumper sticker!

...but I couldn't put it on anything

-ol' 2long

I want that BS (bumper sticker), too!!!!!!!

Am (sisterly) loving you and wishing you the very, very best.

2Long, am drinking nice, amber ales out of frosty glasses right now. Toasting you and all the "oldtimers with young hearts" and drinking deeply. Salut.

Weaver - can't remember if I told you - UNPACKED ALL OF THE FIREFOX books....my old friends...my loving memories of my dad....how happy is that??

Schmatlzyness over. Going to read Magic Kingdom for Sale, Sold! just because I haven't in 3 years and it's great mind candy.

Miss you all! Sorry to TJ, GC, but I know that your kind heart will forgive.

- Kimmy

Weightless. I can't think of a more adept description. Are you still, Gray? Or have you come down?

SS wrote: I can do an ocean poem for people that love the sea too - let me know.

If it's okay with Gray, I'd love to hear it -- or should we just open a new thread? I am still picking up on the nuances of thread courtesy here in the forum.

SS wrote: Yeah, inquiring minds want to know. You only told us a little bit. We need more details, or, a note from your second grade teacher telling us you are OK.

I think I'm okay. . . but you never know, I could be some kooky, teddy-bear sleeping, ADD, anal-retentive, multi-personality freak who's searching for some sort of validation from my on-line friends. Okay, sometimes I do snuggle with my old teddy bear, Lancelot, but it's only when my daughter has left him in our bed, and when Tiger is grouchy and LBing & DJing. (okay, how's THAT for a confession?! Talk about TMI!)

From SLH: And SS -- what would you call yourself, lol?
SS, reply: Probably not a hippie. I never had the looks for it. . .Maybe 2long could tell you, I had lunch with him once

2long? What say you?

(SLH) No, really, I've often wondered if we should have an MB social get-together of sorts, like an "MB cruise" with Harley as a speaker, etc. . .
(SS) This has been talked about a number of times. . . I think it would be fun too - I think Graycloud would play, if you would sing????

Hey, I'm actually not too bad a singer. So don't even go there, unless you mean it. . . <img src="/ubbt/images/graemlins/wink.gif" alt="" /> LOL

2long, I think it's really incredible that you get to share your work with your wife. I envy you that. Tiger used to work for NASA (he actually had flight hardware on Columbia) and I would delight in our conversations on his design work, etc. He's been working so many hours, lately, we haven't had a chance for those kinds of conversations. But they are so important, I think.

"Beautiful and mysterious. . . " GC says, of Annie.

*Sigh*

Dontcha just wish your S would say something like that about you? *I* sure do!! <img src="/ubbt/images/graemlins/rolleyes.gif" alt="" /> <img src="/ubbt/images/graemlins/tongue.gif" alt="" />

Back to Court TV Forensic show. I can't sleep!

~ StillLovingHim

SS a hippie?

Nah!

Poet and philosopher, yes.

He's 2young 2 be a coot. Working on curmudgeon, perhaps. But a benevolent curmudgeon, if one at all.

Now JL's just about old enough 2 be a coot. Still, it will take him a few more years.

...someone said I should have an AARP card by now. I didn't think so, until they said I could get discounts on restaurants and movies and stuff... ...where do I apply?

-ol' 2long

SLH, I'm still weightless.

2long, keep those songs coming.

Kimmy, thanks for stopping in! SLH, you've got another Texan there.

SLH, courtesy schmurtesy. Jack away. I reckon this thread will fade when my divorce is final. So I'm holding my breath for the next bits of poetry from 2long and SS.

The sticker has been given a prominent spot on my guitar case, by the way.

And I have a gig next week. My first in a while.

What the hell happened to me? It was not gradual, this change. It was an event.

GC

Hi GC...i am sorry to hear the latest development...just plan B your WS...she dont deserve you and you deserve BETTER..

I have moved along and feeling great!!! There is a light at the end of the tunnel...its YOU who has the choice to make that happen.

I have posted my latest development in Dvc forum...that is my new hang out place now...

I found happiness again and i am sure you will too!!

Take care

Squo?

Ziz, are you sure you were reading my thread?

GC

Hi, Gray.

I have been thinking about you and your situation.

I am not a poet, but I like to play around the edges occasionally. I wrote this thinking about and your wife. It's bad, but I hope you enjoy it anyway :-)


What has she done
----------------------------

The words was spoke, flowers in the air,
now my wife, she don't seem to care.

The wedding vow breaks,
and my wife is a squirming like snakes.

And everyone is telling me,
them's the breaks.

And somewhere it smarts,
where the truth has stuck in 'em like darts.

And one day, they figures it out,
when life come crashin in their laps.

And life ain't no fun
when your livin it with just one.

Just as a trolly goes,
all the hills that life throws.

All them words don't mean a thing,
'cept when she looks at her ring.

Her life ain't so good no more,
since to her I have closed the door.

All the best,
Gimble

hahahaha...yes i read your earlier posting...sorry...i am still trying to get the hang of this new site.

Wow Gimble, that was quite the poem! It made me chuckle this morning, because it pretty much hit what Gray has been through on the nose! I can see him really relating to it. At least from where I'm sitting.

Kimmy, I really miss you around here. But I am so glad that your family is together and in a good place again. And yeah getting out those old Foxfire books would be an act of happiness, you being who you are!

Gray it isn't so much that Annie is or isn't the one, it's that your heart is opening again. Just that you have those feelings says that you are healing.

And what you said about your brothers feelings at the wedding, feeling weightless...

I can imagine the weight being lifted for all your family and friends now that you are healing. It just shows how connected we really all are and that everyone bleeds when one does.

When your divorce is final, and your thread fades away as you said it probably will, I am so glad to have been part of it, to have travelled this journey with you. As painful as it has been, and will somewhat still be at times for you I am very thankful that you didn't have to go it alone. Well you still had to go it alone to a certain extent.

Oh well I'm losing my point so I'll close. Just feels good to read "happy" on your thread now!

<img src="/ubbt/images/graemlins/grin.gif" alt="" /> I think you just got to the end of the song, that's all!

Sting - I'm So Happy

Seven weeks have passed now since she left me
She shows her face to ask me how I am
She says the kids are fine and that they miss me
Maybe I could come and baby-sit sometime
She says, "Are you O.K.? I was worried about you
Can you forgive me? I hope that you'll be happy."
I'm so happy that I can't stop crying
I'm so happy I'm laughing through my tears

I saw a friend of mine
He said, "I was worried about you
I heard she had another man,
I wondered how you felt about it?"
I'm so happy that I can't stop crying
I'm so happy I'm laughing though my tears
Saw my lawyer, Mr Good News
He got me joint custody and legal separation
I'm so happy that I can't stop crying
I'm laughing through my tears
I'm laughing through my tears

I took a walk alone last night
I looked up at the stars
To try and find an answer in my life
I chose a star for me
I chose a star for him
I chose two stars for my kids and one star for my wife
Something made me smile
Something seemed to ease the pain
Something about the universe and how it's all connected

The park is full of Sunday fathers and melted ice cream
We try to do the best within the given time
A kid should be with his mother
Everybody knows that
What can a father do but baby-sit sometimes?
I saw that friend of mine, he said,
"You look different somehow"
I said, "Everybody's got to leave the darkness sometime"
I'm so happy that I can't stop crying
I'm laughing through my tears
I'm laughing through my tears
I'm so happy that I can't stop crying
I'm laughing through my tears
I'm laughing through my tears

Hey, Gimble, you sure you're no Texan? Those could be country/western lyrics, fer darn sure! <img src="/ubbt/images/graemlins/laugh.gif" alt="" /> Good ones.

Kimmy, Weaver, what are these Firefox books? I'm intrigued. All reading recommendations welcome, lol! (PS, Kimmy, we're here in Hou-Tex if you ever get down here!)

(Weaver wrote) I think you just got to the end of the song, that's all!

Weaver, how perceptive, and how sagely put! That mournful, tragic old heartbroken song is over, and GC is on to new and better things. With or without the Sparrow, or Annie, or any woman, he is whole again. He's just on his way to another song, a lovely, silvery, dulcet melody. And I for one cannot wait to hear about it!

~ Still

Weaver:

Boy, I wish I could remember who posted that song 2 one of my threads a year or so ago... Maybe it was you?


Speaking of that "perspective", I think I really finally have arrived there. But I think our marriage is going 2 survive, unlike the scenario in Sting's song. Still, it might not. My W is only just starting 2 slowly show signs of personal recovery. She's still cynical about many things, just less so.

But the fundamental difference now is that I could probably even "hand her over" 2 RM if that were her choice. I'd be happy for her if it were what she really needed. I'd also be happy for me, because I've gotten back what I've always needed through this - my compassion. I think I started out with it, 4 or 5 decades ago, but I lost track of it because I THOUGHT I eschewed it in my daily interactions with folks, but I must not have been as successful as I had thought.

And then, for most of 3 years, I burned so many calories trying 2 FORCE compassion, not just from myself but from others back at me (not consciously, of course, that'd be nuts) that I couldn't have succeeded - I kept getting in my own way.

You're right, GC. It isn't a gradual change, it's a wave crashing over you. CSue might have been the first 2 tell me that, in different words, over 2 years ago. And for the most part, at the time I believed I understood. But even then I knew something was still missing from the equation. Now, it's not missing anymore.

That's cool.

-ol' 2long

Graycloud said:
SS, it was fun watching you try to catch up.

It gets worse, I have only been away a day, and I don't know how I could possibly catch up with this batch of stuff.

Sigh.........

I guess I won't, I'll just comment on a few posts only.

Gray, If I meet up with you again, I'm going to have you tell me more about you, and your brothers.

Kimmy, it's good to see you come round again.

SLH said:
I think I'm okay. . . but you never know, I could be some kooky, teddy-bear sleeping, ADD, anal-retentive, multi-personality freak who's searching for some sort of validation from my on-line friends.

Sounds like you have me pegged pretty good.

Of course you knew I was just teasing? Your teacher said you were pretty good MOST of the time.

Hey, I'm actually not too bad a singer. So don't even go there, unless you mean it. . . LOL

Gray is in a band, when can the two of you get together and practice? Texas isn't that far from MN, is it?
I mean, if Texas is as big as some Texans say, it must touch Canada at some point.

2Long said:
SS a hippie?

Nah!

Poet and philosopher, yes.

I couldn't describe 2long in a word either - too much depth to put a label on. He is a romantic, but there's a lot more there than just that. I don't know how much I should say, since he is bigger than me - and I hope to see him again in a month or so. Lets just say that 2long is very kind, and very smart, and cares about people.

Now, I had lunch with Graycloud once, and I could tell you he is:
1. Good looking.
2. Thoughtful
3. Smart
4. Thin
5. Loyal
6. Modest

Beyond that, I can't say much good about him at all.

Weaver said:
Oh well I'm losing my point so I'll close. Just feels good to read "happy" on your thread now!

You weren't losing your point - we know you were happy for GC, and were telling him so. I thought you did a good job. It is good to see happy, isn't it. I hope to see it on a thread of yours soon.

I want to ask you some questions, but feel to leave you alone right now. Not sure why. The questions I won't be asking now include:
Who?
How did you meet?
And comments about how I have an idea what the decision is, but wondering why you don't want to talk about it now.
As I say, I won't be asking you now, but it's on my mind.


Let's see, where is that other poem about the sea?

"Sea-Fever"

I must down to the seas again, to the lonely sea and the sky,
And all I ask is a tall ship and a star to steer her by,
And the wheel's kick and the wind's song and the white sail's shaking,
And a grey mist on the sea's face, and a grey dawn breaking.

I must down to the seas again, for the call of the running tide
Is a wild call and a clear call that may not be denied;
And all I ask is a windy day with the white clouds flying,
And the flung spray and the blown spume, and the sea-gulls crying.

I must down to the seas again, to the vagrant gypsy life,
To the gull's way and the whale's way where the wind's like a whetted knife;
And all I ask is a merry yarn from a laughing fellow-rover
And quiet sleep and a sweet dream when the long trick's over.

By John Masefield (1878-1967).

I don't know the sea, but am a child of the desert. He says it well, and I think I see similarities.
All the best,

SS