Well, 2long, there I was, all frustrated again with the following statement, uttered way too often:

"Without God, there are no morals."

This statement drives me CRAZY. It betrays a maddening lack of perspective in the speaker. I cannot have a serious discussion of ethics and morality with a person who holds this view.

Not even if I agree!

I think you probably know what I mean.

GC

i'm having a really crappy day!!!! only work related stuff though so it is kinda refreshing actually <img src="/ubbt/images/graemlins/smile.gif" alt="" /> nothing like having a busy day to keep you unfocused on your personal life.

GC - did you like Charlie and the CF? i was not expecting to like it at all because the original is just too good. but the kids wanted to see it, afterall, Johnny Depp is in it!! (that is my DD speaking). I was extremely surprised, i loved it. i thought they did an awesome job re-inventing the story by going into WW's (that's willie wonka, not wondering wife!!!) childhood.

FL, sorry you're having a crap day.

I like both the original and the new C&CF. But I was surprised by the way some of the scenes in the new movie are just as badly paced as in the original. Johnny Depp is too good. I have no idea what inspired his WW. It was so odd, but so consistent in its oddity. I saw NO Michael Jackson in that character, just for the record. Maybe Phil Spector?

The songs in the original movie are TERRIBLE. Danny Elfman made them super cool in the new version.

GC

good afternoon! just dropping by to see who is here. Hi FL! ALH, welcome to MB. We adore your W. <img src="/ubbt/images/graemlins/smile.gif" alt="" />

"I cannot have a serious discussion of ethics and morality with a person who holds this view.

Not even if I agree!

I think you probably know what I mean."

I know EggZactually what you mean!

-ol' 2long

I everyone!!!

I just dropped in to say I have a date tomorrow night. Yep, that's right. And I have one Sat night too, with a different guy.

Can you believe it???????

Weaver is dating again. Dating around, not sleeping around.

That's the key Gray, in case you didn't already know.

You should date at the minimum of three people at one time, that way you don't have to worry about rebounding (no time he he).

Well just thought I'd share that.

Are you terribly jealous Gray?

PSSST Gray, it's all in the "tude"! LOL

Oh boy am I jealous. Three at once! Good plan. Is that like, three times as hard to pull off as one at once?

I suck at this! Pressure's on. I'm already three behind.

GC

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Well yanno, someone has to light that fire under your butt and it might as well be me.

It happened when I got this "I don't give a rats [censored]" attitude, and then guys started asking me out. And I say to them "I am still in love with someone else but if you just want to go out as friends and have a good time, I am good with that".

It really is all in the attitude. I know I am still so in love, but decided that I can still have fun and get on with my life, making friends and who know what will happen.

Actually my DD's dad said to me a few weeks ago "your biggest problem Cathy is you don't have an attitude, and you take life waaaaay too seriously anymore".

He was right Gray. Something you need to hear as well, perhaps.

But being alone is okay too, I am just not going to spend the six years alone and grieving like I did when DD's dad left.

2long,

You are not a CA anymore.

And yes, life is truly spiritual, and that is what makes it so beautiful.

I am so very glad that you two are going to make it. It would have broken my heart if you didn't. But then again, I always knew you would. <img src="/ubbt/images/graemlins/smile.gif" alt="" />

She is a lucky lady, and you are a lucky man.

ELP "Lucky Man"

He had white horses
And ladies by the score
All dressed in satin
And waiting by the door

Ooooh, what a lucky man he was
Ooooh, what a lucky man he was

White lace and feathers
They made up his bed
A gold covered mattress
On which he was laid

Ooooh, what a lucky man he was
Ooooh, what a lucky man he was

He went to fight wars
For his country and his king
Of his honor and his glory
The people would sing

Ooooh, what a lucky man he was
Ooooh, what a lucky man he was

A bullet had found him
His blood ran as he cried
No money could save him
So he laid down and he died

Ooooh, what a lucky man he was
Ooooh, what a lucky man he was

I just want to thank you guys for all of the talking...I truly mean that. As I read the posts I see every emotion I'm experiencing right now, as well as the physical issues and feelings of desperation I'm living with right now. I have 4 or 5 periods a day when I don't think I 'll survive another minute without him. Then, I come back to earth in about 15 minutes and go on with the day. (This can be uncomfortable in my work environment.) I just wanted to thank you since knowing others have been through it helps more than you'll ever know.

SAR2

Hi all,

Just a quick update. Things have gotten rather interesting in my life lately...

I have a recently immigrated Austrian couple living here- we have sort of adopted one other. They are both teachers (who have doctorates in Astronomy among other things), so I am learning the physics of black holes, and Japanese Swordfighting , that is, when we aren't gorging on rich Viennese food...

Did I mention that they love to cook?

I wake up in the morning to hear,

"Good Morning!!! Breakfast is ready!!!!"

And it begins.

Nothing very interesting on the husband front- and I am too busy at work and eating all day to care much.

And I am enjoying it very much.

Auwedezien (sp?),

Shul

(((Sar2)))

SAR2, isn't it valuable, despite what little comfort it gives from your feelings? Just to know that people survive it? It also gives you an occasion to think of others, others who have suffered. Though isn't a contest!

So think of someone like for example Elie Wiesel. Someone who turned unimaginable pain and loss into a meaningful life.

GC

GC - Good evening to you!

far

Good evening to you too, FAR!

GC

FAR - I'm in the city and it's cloudy. Too bad.

GC

Tonight I went out with a friend to the neighborhood joint - a clean, fit place. Not a place for knuckleheads. At the end of the night the waitress invited us to hang out in back after close while she and the cook and the cook's friend had a smoke.

The waitress was with a male friend, so no dates yet, weaver, but it's a start.

GC

You must be on vacation, hey Gray? I'm always amazed at the hours everyone posts on this thread.

And it most definately is a start, socializing with the waitress. For me I am so excited because I have always been so shy, and guys didn't feel comfortable approaching me. Now I make a point to come out of my shell. I just blurt out whatever comes to my mind, and stop dwelling on their reaction of me. Not being so self-centered is the new attitude for me.

SAR,

My pain is subsiding in that I have days now where I don't feel extreme pain anymore. Last weekend for me, I truly did not think I would survive, but with some help from some friends I made it through it.

I have to believe for me the worst is over, and now when I read a post like yours where someone is in that horrible, gut wrenching place it stops me in my tracks.

We are all so connected that when we rely on others it actually helps to heal our pain.

For me just being held by my friend last weekend while I cried made all the difference in the world. I needed someone to hold me so bad it was palpable. And not in a sexual sense either. Just the human touch. And I will seek out other people, because I now know that is where healing comes from. Not to cry on their shoulder (unless I am in a really bad place) but to connect, with love,caring and laughter.

I mean there was a time last weekend when I actually begged and begged for my parents to reach down from the heavens and hold me. I needed to feel the arms of someone who cared around me so bad. Weird for me to feel this neediness, but I needed it like air at the time.

(((((SAR)))))

MRO made it off the ground!

WooHoo!

-ol' 2long

Hey Weaver!! Shul, glad you are distracted and in good company. Maybe you can get to the point of conversing with 2Long in his lingo. {{SAR2}} It will get better one way or the other. GC, when you are truly ready those women will pop out of the woodwork.

2long, excuse my idiocy what is MRO?