King Crimson sure has a way with words.

What a gift that is, I don't have it but I am in awe of people who do.

I think we all have these awesome, beautiful, inspired thoughts from time to time...but to be able to put them to words, what a gift!

I used to think that peace was absense of pain(emotional and physical), but now I know it takes so much more to achieve inner peace...an absense of fear and of regret, as well as a certain knowing that all is as it should be, and a deep belief in God. Well that may be just my projection, as far as the belief in God (or whatever your higher power may look like/be called), but it would be interesting to talk to an athiest and see what his take on peace is, without a higher power.

When I first found out Dan was married, I had some kind of mini breakdown and P's dad had to come and get her. I ended up attending a six week workshop at the request of a friend, led by a minister who follows ACIM, and the music director/professor at the University here also attended with his wife who had cancer at the time (she has since died). He said to the class that he was there seeking inner peace. I thought that was such a worthy goal, and at the time had never heard anyone put it in such a way. But now I know it is what we are all looking for.

I have been thinking also about why we are so drawn to the board and I read that we all have a need to be heard, to be known...really known, our thoughts, our fears, our desires.

This board gives us this. For me I can't say this kind of stuff out loud because quite frankly, no one I know wants to hear it and because it is hard for me to talk out loud this way.

So I guess if you are not the kind of person who is easily addicted (like me), it is a very good hobby, and it is an exercise in communication skills.

Everyone on this board has a gift of one kind or another, and if you read them enough you can see what that gift is.

2long (and I don't want to embarass you) is probably one of the most read posters on this board, even if most people don't have the courage to post to him...he has the power to influence...
Because 2long you have everything it takes to lead people, you are very intelligent as well as wise, you are kind, thoughtful, and very responsible in how you respond...what you say, and you do this powerful gift proud. I put Ap, and SS in that same category...and I think it is because with all of the other attributes it takes to lead, you also have a great capacity to not be self-serving in your desire to help others.

Whew, that was a mouthful.

Weaver - haven't you gone yet? <img src="/ubbt/images/graemlins/wink.gif" alt="" />
Is it autumn already <img src="/ubbt/images/graemlins/grin.gif" alt="" />.
Love ya. TT

tt:

"Weaver - haven't you gone yet?
Is it autumn already ."

Now CUT THAT OUT! Dont' scare her off when she's saying such nice things about me! <img src="/ubbt/images/graemlins/grin.gif" alt="" />

Ac2ally, weaver, I am more than a little embarrassed. I wonder if what you say is even really true? I'm sure I never thought it possible.

After all, I'm just a poor country rocket scientist lost in the Big City, doncha know, or doncha?... <img src="/ubbt/images/graemlins/grin.gif" alt="" />

Funny, in a thought-provoking way, what you said about atheists. For a very long time, I considered myself one. Now, I like the term "atheologist", but I think I made that up and don't know if it would be appreciated or unders2d (or interpreted as a "bashing" statement on my part).

It all started when my W and I were dating. I was a Christian Scientist and she was fundamentalist. We went 2 each other's churches for a 2ple years, and ended up 2th stopping al2gether not long after we M'd.

For a 2ple years, I remember being concerned about "what if I get really sick" kinds of things, but that fear faded away.

After that, I was probably a bit more antagonistic and angry about organized religion than I ought 2 have been (that's when I suppose I "deserved" 2 be most embarrassed).

And after that, I think I started 2 find peace with my spiri2al beliefs - because I don't believe I ever stopped being spiri2al, I just stopped being religious.

Of course, along comes the internet, first-hand experience with infidelity, and all that $hi+, and with it came a renewal of soul-searching, and at the same time, occasional arguments about spiri2ality again...

But the peace rules, I think. At least as far as I feel about spiri2ality.

In recent years, I've also visited a number of atheist sites, and though I agree with many of the things they express frustration over, I don't agree with the anger that I see in some of them.

The way I figure it, we're all down here trying 2 figure our $hi+ out. And when we refrain from getting our panties in a wad over our differences, the journey can be pretty enjoyable.


weaver: Ac2ally, those lyrics were written by Peter Sinfield, who wrote a lot of stuff for the early King Crimson, Emerson Lake and Palmer, MacDonald and Giles, among others. I also love these lyrics, but when I played the sample song off iTunes a while back, it sounded silly 2 me. Sometimes the lyrics need 2 stand on their own!

"Make It Today" - Peter Sinfield

"Count the sand within the glass
You watch the grains of time slip past
A million written words don't help your peace.
You're not the first
You're not the last
You're just an actor in the cast
From one to maybe half a hundred years.

What do you hear
When the words are not clear?
Blow your own way
And you'll hear what I say
Make it today

Superficial games you play
To seek sensations everyway
And in the maze you're running round and round.
If you look with open eyes
You'll see the truth
You'll know the lies
So climb the skies to where the rainbow's found.

What do you hear
When the words are not clear?
Blow your own way
And you'll hear what I say
Make it today

Free yourself and you will find
There's peace of heart and peace of mind
Both on the narrow stony road you run.
You will see that black is white
And nothing's wrong that is not right
And love is everything beneath the sun."

-ol' 2long

Out there (waving hand in a outwardly vague gesture) is snarky/yucky.

Anyone got an extra squidge laying around for me?

Love you all.

- Kimmy

Sure Kimmy,
always an extra for you.

Have hope, it will all work out.

SS

Weaver,
I didn't want to drag you back.

Just wanted to tease you, and say bye.

If being away is what you need, they have a nice time. Hug P for me, and find peace.

You don't need to answer if that's what helps the most.
Just know you are loved, and respected.

You've come a long way baby.

SS

Gray,
You still there?

SS

Kimmy,

I made a s'more. You can have it if you want.

Marshmallow caught on fire though. So I dunked it my Scotch to put it out.

Have two, there’re small.

Aph,
Are you doing well?
I may miss the clues, so I'll just ask.

SS

Yes, irl I am wonderful.

The recent events here in MB e-land remind me of mortality, in a way, is all. Sort of brings me up short.

But, God's in His heaven and everything's more or less right with the world.

This surprises me at times. I worry I might be tempting fate by relaxing even a little bit.

PS: Thanx for asking.

This surprises me at times. I worry I might be tempting fate by relaxing even a little bit.

I am glad you CAN relax a little bit. It's no fun being on edge all the time. It would be nice to do an actual campfire, I bet you are a hoot in person.

Don't get me wrong, I like the virtual campfire, but real ones flame the marshmellows so much more quickly.

SS

Hi SS. I'm here. I'm preoccupied, trying to get acquainted with a strange girl over the Internet, which I've never done and I find is definitely not for me. I write a response and look at it a hundred times before I send it. In person I'd just smile and say something clever and it would be better than any email I spent an hour on.

When one of our friends is in a crisis we feel guilty sharing trivial minutiae about our own lives, and now here I've done it.

GC

When one of our friends is in a crisis we feel guilty sharing trivial minutiae about our own lives, and now here I've done it.

I asked because I didn't think it was trivial. I still don't think so.

It's interresting - what you write about how hard it is. When you were in the middle of trying to save your marriage, you wrote some of the most beautiful lines I have seen on MB.

Is it that your heart isn't in this?

SS

I think my heart is in it... But I'm trying too hard, and hoping to look like I'm not. Which is odd, since I don't even mind if this doesn't pan out.

What you say reminds me of something. When I'm by myself, doing music, I come up with some very good stuff. When I'm with the band, and we're just fiddling around, we come up with some very good stuff. When we try to make it into an actual song, it usually loses something. I think great performers know how not to lose that.

Writing is that way. You want to tap into your soul, but sometimes, when there's something at stake, it's harder to do. When you don't care, for whatever reason, then you can speak from the heart.

GC

Oh lordy, I'm never going to get out of here...so I resign myself to always being here. Maybe it's just a matter of getting P's timer back out again, hey SS?



Yep and all we get to take with us when we leave is our spiritual lessons, so lets make them good ones. You are no athiest 2long...I chuckle to myself everytime I read that, spiritual should be your middle name.

Kimmy,

What's wrong?

Gray,

I met a really cool couple of guys on the dating site, but it took a long time and weeding through a lot of not so cool ones. The one I am seeing now can't type...so you can imagine his agony. Give it an honest try and be very, very picky. WAT met his SO on Match and new_beginnings met her hubby, so there is hope, even for you. <img src="/ubbt/images/graemlins/grin.gif" alt="" />

Oh Kimmy, now I know. It's because of what is going on with Jen. She and Rob will get through this, maybe it's an eye opener to some stuff that hasn't been dealt with.

All we need do is "look behind the grievance for the miracle", because they are always presented together.

weaver:

That message should hold for FGG, 2. (and the rest of us, 2)

-ol' 2long

It does.

If it holds that time doesn't exist, would it then be more true?

And GC, I met HoFS on the Internet, too. <img src="/ubbt/images/graemlins/smile.gif" alt="" />

Well, I MET him in the MSP airport when he picked me up one cold January night to take me out to P's house so that I could meet her for the first time.

But you know what I mean.

My mother would be horrified if she knew that I got in a car with a man I'd never met and drove to the wilds of Wisconsin to a houseful of people I'd never met and stayed with them for a weekend drinking red wine and port and hanging upside down on the couch and sleeping in the loft where the pool table is.

Then again, I think she might know that. If she's horrified, she's hiding it well.

When one of our friends is in a crisis we feel guilty sharing trivial minutiae about our own lives, and now here I've done it.

GC, we're on MB. Someone here, usually many someones, is always in crisis. Sometimes we know them well, sometimes not so well. We care for the person in crisis, of course -- and we must also care for ourselves and not make our own journeys small just because someone else is on the cliff path while we're walking on more solid ground.

Or at least, that's what I think.