Andrew post this ...

</font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial">Originally posted by TA:
<strong>I saw a Statistic here today where only 6 out of 100 (6%) people who follow MB principles stay intact.</strong></font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial">This is only for recovered, recovering & Dv'ed MBers.

I know there are many variable skewd <sp> the result since many MBers doesn't post no more since they are busy with their fullfilin M. There are many DoItYourSelfMBers that didn't follow plan A/B properly, but this is create more reality of the situation.

-rh-

Have you posted links to your poll on Recovery, D/D & EN to garner more voters?

</font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial">Originally posted by Lor (Lor):
<strong> Have you posted links to your poll on Recovery, D/D & EN to garner more voters? </strong></font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial">I just did ... However I did one oopsh, read below.


To all that are still struggeling, I am sorry I force people to vote before viewing and I can't change that condition now. Please refrain your urge to look ... you are skewing the result.

I will publish the result at the end of the voting period.

I was only talking about couples who actually attend a MB "SEMINAR."

SH said most people do NOT salvage their marriage because one on the spouses is NOT willing to do the Homework.

SH said 100% of the marriages stay intact when both spouses do ALL the homework. Steve said he has yet to refund any money for people who have done all the homework. Those who don't get NO refund, period.

<small>[ February 11, 2005, 04:30 PM: Message edited by: TA ]</small>

I didn't not attend a seminar - X refused, and X did not follow any MB principles, and we are now divorced.
This may skew your results.

I convinced friends of mine to attend a seminar, and to date they've done no homework. They will stay together, they were just looking to improve a good foundation.
I'm hoping that explains some results.

Why does no one do any Homework?

What's the big deal?

SH said the same thing, no one wants to do the Homework.

What the hell is involved?

Andrew

Thanks TA,

I am not looking for the one that go to seminars. I was looking at the people who ends up here and using MB. I beleive it is higher than 50% of saving even the M is in trouble already. I could see the poll temporary results.


Thanks newly,
I am looking for stats for people who post here and use MB, at least one of you and you are counted <img border="0" title="" alt="[Big Grin]" src="images/icons/grin.gif" /> . I do believe to go to seminars with FWS, not with WS. It is futile if it is not down right dangerous teaching WS to use MB with OP. Harley warns people who go to this seminars and do nothing b/c the expectation is raisen but no result thus more frustrations.

This poll is just another one of those poll <img border="0" title="" alt="[Wink]" src="images/icons/wink.gif" /> . I don't take it seriously.

-rh-

<small>[ January 12, 2005, 12:02 PM: Message edited by: redhat ]</small>

If this is true about the 50%, I would be so Pumped up. <img border="0" title="" alt="[Big Grin]" src="images/icons/grin.gif" />

I hope we get some honest results with this poll.

Thanks for posting. <img border="0" title="" alt="[Smile]" src="images/icons/smile.gif" />

</font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial">Originally posted by TA:
<strong>What's the big deal?</strong></font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial">Andrew,
I beleive is walking through to indentify ENs/LBs ... plus personal history & financial. Actually it is about fillin the questionairs and reviewed by coaches. Coaching couples to do 4 gifts of love.

Just put yourself into the mind of WS ... and being ask to fillin personal history, sex life and etc ... !.

This is my bias, don't go now until your WW become FWW and save your $ to pay SH's counseling !.

-rh-

</font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial">Originally posted by TA:
<strong> If this is true about the 50%, I would be so Pumped up. <img border="0" title="" alt="[Big Grin]" src="images/icons/grin.gif" />

I hope we get some honest results with this poll.

Thanks for posting. <img border="0" title="" alt="[Smile]" src="images/icons/smile.gif" /> </strong></font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial">So far we have 13 voters ... 11 yes, 2 no ... it is 85%. We have to wait 'till Feb when this poll is closed.

-rh-

^bump^ 37 votes 26 yes 11 no ... so 70% for now.

This is an interesting idea, but I am not sure what conclusions you can make from the information. There is obviously a selection bias here, so honestly the % you get is not going to be "valid". Either way, I think it was a good idea, and at least food for thought. I can probably predict the final figures will be well over 50%.

<small>[ January 12, 2005, 09:50 PM: Message edited by: lemonman ]</small>

If you want to see the results of a survey already conducted of 1083 people whose spouses had As, check out:

http://www.dearpeggy.com/pdf/help-sample.pdf

This survey was done in as controlled conditions as possible.

76% of these spouses were still married and living together after the A.

LM,

I just want to throw it out there, people could take any conclusion they want <img border="0" title="" alt="[Razz]" src="images/icons/tongue.gif" /> . My first gut feeling would be >>50% too but I am not so sure no more.

1. Majority of people come here w/ trouble M and infidelity in M.
2. Majority of people don't know how to do plan A.
3. Majority of people don't go to plan B on time.

From small sample of SFBayAreaMBers, we have only 2 yes and 8 no ... excluding ones that don't even bother to use MB and drop off.

We will see when we got some peoples from Dv/DV'ng and Recovery Board ... they usually don't post much.

-rh-

</font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial">Originally posted by smur:
<strong> If you want to see the results of a survey already conducted of 1083 people whose spouses had As, check out:

http://www.dearpeggy.com/pdf/help-sample.pdf

This survey was done in as controlled conditions as possible.

76% of these spouses were still married and living together after the A. </strong></font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial">INteresting to say the least. What it may mean in the end, is that Marriage Builders (or any other relationship recovery tool) is not likely to effect the % of divorced marriages. I would be willing to surmise that CHILDREN are a MAJOR....MAJOR (95% IMO) factor in deciding to divorce (or not) after infidelity. No suprise here. In the study in the link, is it any suprise that 77% of the total couples with infidelity had children, and that 76% of total couples are still married? Perhaps it is a site like this that can help a marriage become "liveable" or "tolerable" when "staying together for the kids" is the end driving marriage saving factor. One thing is clear though....IN GENERAL, INFIDELITY alone usually does not end a marriage.

<small>[ January 12, 2005, 10:16 PM: Message edited by: lemonman ]</small>

</font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial">Originally posted by smur:
<strong>76% of these spouses were still married and living together after the A. </strong></font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial">We know that fact, A don't end M ... lost hopes does. I am off reading your link before I could comment any further.

Thanks,
-rh-

LM, why would I stay in my marriage for adult children? 24 and 27.

MB saved our marriage, pure and simple.

Oh, and we love each other, that saved our marriage too.

Jen

</font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial">Originally posted by KiwiJ.:
<strong> LM, why would I stay in my marriage for adult children? 24 and 27.

MB saved our marriage, pure and simple.

Oh, and we love each other, that saved our marriage too.

Jen </strong></font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial">Jen...congratulations for saving the marriage. <img border="0" title="" alt="[Smile]" src="images/icons/smile.gif" />

</font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial">Originally posted by lemonman:
<strong> </font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial">Originally posted by smur:
<strong> If you want to see the results of a survey already conducted of 1083 people whose spouses had As, check out:

http://www.dearpeggy.com/pdf/help-sample.pdf

This survey was done in as controlled conditions as possible.

76% of these spouses were still married and living together after the A. </strong></font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial">INteresting to say the least. What it may mean in the end, is that Marriage Builders (or any other relationship recovery tool) is not likely to effect the % of divorced marriages. I would be willing to surmise that CHILDREN are a MAJOR....MAJOR (95% IMO) factor in deciding to divorce (or not) after infidelity. No suprise here. In the study in the link, is it any suprise that 77% of the total couples with infidelity had children, and that 76% of total couples are still married? Perhaps it is a site like this that can help a marriage become "liveable" or "tolerable" when "staying together for the kids" is the end driving marriage saving factor. One thing is clear though....IN GENERAL, INFIDELITY alone usually does not end a marriage. </strong></font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial">LM,

Maybe it doesn't up the odds but it does allow each sane person to attain personal recovery better than most. Not all most. This isn't a proven science. Too many variables but one can see how the support here has helped many. Even tamed a few obstinate ones. <img border="0" title="" alt="[Wink]" src="images/icons/wink.gif" />

So it is not a matter of if MB helps, it is a matter of when MB helps. <img border="0" title="" alt="[Big Grin]" src="images/icons/grin.gif" />

'Never say never.'

L.

<small>[ January 13, 2005, 02:40 AM: Message edited by: Orchid ]</small>

duplicate post.

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