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hurting...

I am sorry to hear about your DD. Things like this happen and she will learn from it. Lets just hope anyway.

Take care.....

You are doing well, I keep saying it, cause it is true <img src="/ubbt/images/graemlins/wink.gif" alt="" />....

{{{{{hurting}}}}} we can all use a hug... <img src="/ubbt/images/graemlins/grin.gif" alt="" />

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Daisy,

Thanks for the hug. I sure needed that.

I am doing well. I still have my moments but they get further and further apart now.

This mess with DD was rough yesterday , it just made me want to have my H around to comfort me and be the rock he has always been. But I made it though it and now am on solid ground again.

My SIL did talk to him this morning and asked him if he would try and get the money to help DD. He said no this is what she gets. My SIL told him to bad when you did something stupid years ago our parents didn't say the same thing. Instead they did all they could to help you out of jail. Guess he forgot people coming to his aid when he did something stupid. He told her well if BS wants her to get out tell her to put a lone against her car. Kinda hard to do when the car is still in his name. But anyhow this just goes to show it's still all about him, no one else counts.

I hate to say but this may the lesson DD needed to learn about her resposibilites and that her father is not there for her right now as much as he likes to pretend to be.... She will know who is standing beside her and going to take care of her or at least try and it sure isn't someone of the male perswasion.(sp?)

I am very proud of myself and how strong I have become. And like I said the other day so much of it has come just from last sunday and the conversation I had with WH. I see just how far gone he is right now and maybe thats what I needed to see. He is not my H at all, he is some stranger I don't know.... The real H is hiding somewhere I just keep praying he fights his way out.... Only time will tell...


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Hi Hurting,

DD will be fine. This will be time for her to take a look at her life, and hopefully turn around for the good. Really sometimes, thats what it takes. The good thing is it isn't for some terrible horrible crime, it's just a fine. But I betcha she'll pay her tickets in the future now.

And I'm relieved she isn't pregnant, and you must be relieved too.

We just pray that God will speak to her now that she is sitting still enough to listen.

Blessings,
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Lady,

I do think this may wake her up some. She told my MIL today on the phone she is really going to look for a job when she gets out ad get her life in order. I sure hope she does.

I think this scared her somewhat.I know it would me, I have never seen the inside of a jail except on tv and I don't ever want to see one....

Thanks for the prayers...

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{{{Hurting}}}

So much drama, I don't know how you handle it all. Saturday, after you visit DD, can you take the evening to do something fun and/or relaxing for yourself? Schedule a bubble bath, maybe have some wine, rent a chick flick? Sometimes a distraction from real life is a nice break.

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Cat,

Actually I do have plans for Saturday after seeing DD. I am off work all weekend and DS and I are going to a movie.

We are also going to go to the park and start walking everyday around the path they have there. Going to take the dogs as well.

You know I keep asking myself where did all this drama come from. In all my 47 years I have never had this kind of drama in my life. Its like once WH'S affair started it has just steamrolled. One thing after the other. Maybe this is Gods way of saying hey you are stronger than you think and you can do this.... Its scary no doubt to have to do all of these things alone. Starting over by myself with my kids is something I never would have thought I would have to do. If I say so myself though I am doing a pretty good job.

I fell pretty good most of the time but I have my down times as well. I still miss my H and the companionship and I still love him a lot sometimes I wonder why though after all that has happened but I do..... But I am doing this and doing better than I ever thought I would. Just as short as two months ago this all would have sent me over the edge but now I just get through it and move forward.

Life is getting better and it will continue to get better...


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I was just reading the thread on MLC and the Knight in Shining Armour... Newoutlook posted something that really hit hme to me ....

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There are women who, by nature romantics, don't quite want to escape their own life and die for love. Instead they'd rather have some guy wreck his life for them. These women have been so recently betrayed by unfaithful men that the wound is still raw and they are out for revenge. A woman who angrily pursues married men is a "spider woman" - she requires human sacrifice to restore her sense of power.

When she is sucking the blood from other people's marriages, she feels some relief from the pain of having her own marriage betrayed. She simply requires that a man love her enough to sacrifice his life for her. She may be particularly attracted to happy marriages, dearly envious of the woman whose husband is faithful and loving to her. Sometimes it isn't clear whether she wants to replace the happy wife or just make her miserable.

The women who are least squeamish and most likely to wreak havoc on other people's marriages are victims of some sort of abuse, so angry that they don't feel bound by the usual rules or obligations, so desperate that they cling to any source of security, and so miserable that they don't bother to think a bit of the end of it.

Josephine Hart's novel Damage, and the recent Louis Malle film version of it, describe such a woman. She seduces her fiancee's depressed father, and after the fiancee discovers the affair and kills himself, she waltzes off from the wreckage of all the lives. She explains that her father disappeared long ago, her mother had been married four or five times, and her brother committed suicide when she left his bed and began to date other boys. She described herself as damaged, and says: "Damaged people are dangerous. They know they can survive."

Bette was a spider woman. She came to see me only once, with her married affair partner Alvin, a man I had been seeing with his wife Agnes. But I kept up with her through the many people whose lives she touched. Bette's father had run off and left her and her mother when she was just a child, and her stepfather had exposed himself to her. Most recently Bette's manic husband Burt had run off with a stripper, Claudia, and had briefly married her before he crashed and went into a psychiatric hospital.

While Burt was with Claudia, the enraged Bette promptly latched on to Alvin, a laid-back philanderer who had been married to Agnes for decades and had been screwing around casually most of that time. Bette was determined that Alvin was going to divorce Agnes and marry her, desert his children, and raise her now-fatherless kids. The normally cheerful Alvin, who had done a good job for a lifetime of pleasing every woman he met and avoiding getting trapped by any of them, couldn't seem to escape Bette, but he certainly had no desire to leave Agnes. He grew increasingly depressed and suicidal. He felt better after he told the long-suffering Agnes, but he still couldn't move in any direction. Over the next couple of years Bette and Alvin took turns threatening suicide, while Agnes tended her garden, raised her children, ran her business, and waited for the increasingly disoriented and pathetic Alvin to come to his senses.

Agnes finally became sufficiently alarmed about her husband's deterioration that she decided the only way she could save his life was to divorce him. She did, and Alvin promptly dumped Bette. He could not forgive her for what she had made him do to dear, sweet Agnes. He lost no time in taking up with Darlene, with whom he had been flirting for some time, but who wouldn't go out with a married man. Agnes felt relief, and the comfort of a good settlement, but Bette was once again abandoned and desperate.

She called Alvin hourly, alternately threatening suicide, reciting erotic poetry, and offering to fix him dinner. She phoned bomb threats to Darlene's office. Bette called me to tell me what a sociopathic jerk Alvin was to betray her with another woman after all she had done in helping him through his divorce. She wrote sisterly notes to Agnes, offering the comfort of friendship to help one another through the awful experience of being betrayed by this terrible man. At no point did Bette consider that she had done anything wrong. She was now, as she had been all her life, a victim of men, who not only use and abuse women, but won't lay down their lives to rescue them on cue.

Here is a link to his article:


Beyond betrayal: life after infidelity

http://www.findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_m1175/is_n3_v26/ai_13700396


this sounds so much like the OW in my sitch..... It is really scary..... Sounds like she won't be happy until she destroys everyone....

How sad people live like this .....


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Just wanted to tell you that I have been on this journey for awhile and today my husband is coming out of his fog...I am taking things slow but we spent Christmas and New Year's together and he is coming up every night and we are talking like we have never talked before...I have followed your posts and I suspect you husband too will eventually see the light of day...I just wanted to tell you I too wanted to give up many times but put strong boundaries and Plan B in place and once the affair starts to implode and most do then you will start to see the man emerge that you knew before...keep strong hon....((((NO))))


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NewOutlook - Thanks for posting. I remember that you had pretty much given up! It really, really helps when people that have gone through this post with hopeful stories.

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new,

Thank you so much for posting to me...

You have been on a long journey and I admire you for being able to stick it out.

I plan on sticking this out for as long as I can. I have not given up that someday he will come out of the fog....

I do believe our divorce will happen before the fog lifets though but I still won't give up on him..... I am in no big rush for any other man or relationship. I have time, for now I am just concentrating on myself and my kids...

Boundries are in place and planb is definatley dark, I am done with the drama, I can't do it anymore.... I love him but I can't fix him so its best I stay away from the detruction and harsh words coming from him.....

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hurting you are doing all you can do for now...and yes you have to remove yourself from the drama or it will send you off the deep end...I detached big time and went on with my life while my husband's affair practically killed him.. it was tough to watch from the sidelines but had to do it to keep my sanity..I just sat back, bought the popcorn and watched the show...and bit by bit the Affair imploded...I see alot of similarities in what you are going through that I had to face and know how hard this is for you...but I think your husband is in a full blow Mid Life Crisis as was mine and from what I have read and from what I have lived if they were good men before they will eventually come out of that tunnel and return ...mine also threatened to run away hurting but these threats are all part of the journey they must travel until they come out the other side...and I faced alot of anger..another symptom...he did not want any responsibilities, reverts back to teenage mentality.. all of this combined would test the faith of a saint...but somehow I hung on for me and my beautiful family...I encourage you to do the same ....

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New,

I am hanging on just by a thread here.

Can i ask you someething ? Did he ever go so far as to tell you he would never love you again? If you have read the thread then you know last sunday he told me he does not love me and never will again.... Yeah that hurt big time but I also saw the look in his eyes, the dead look....

He was a good man, yes he has his faults but all in all a good man. He always put us first and foremost. Now its all about him and him only....

I am sitting on the sidelines and just watching... Thats all I an do for now.... Thank you for giving me hope that he can come out of this...


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Can i ask you someething ? Did he ever go so far as to tell you he would never love you again? If you have read the thread then you know last sunday he told me he does not love me and never will again.... Yeah that hurt big time but I also saw the look in his eyes, the dead look....

I'm butting in here Hurting! Phoenix at 4060 said something like: "I would never accept my H saying he didn't love me while it wasn't HIS eyes looking out at me from his face."

She said it in a better way but I think it's pretty clear. That dead look is heartbreaking, but typical, and is a CLEAR indication that he - the REAL person - just isn't home. He is no position to make such a pronouncement. Keep in mind that MLC is the grandaddy of all depressions and NO ONE in the grip of a severe depressive episode is in ANY state to make such pronouncements or important decisions.


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Tam,

I know your right. I believe my H is is the middle of a MLC and a bad depression. I just worry he will fall deeper and deeper into it.... It scares me....

I have to be honest here, I truly don't believe him and the OW have broken ot off either. I think he is saying that to go back into hiding. As long as he does not go out in public with her and hides his truck on the weekends we won't even know. One thing for sure if thats the case it seems to me it would put more stress on them.... You would think why go in hiding now after all these months. But to a fogged mind nothing makes sense.

Anyhow only time will tell......


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Yes, it's scary, but it has to happen. He needs to hit rock bottom. Unfortunately OWs delay this happening. They are "medication" and while the medication works, all is pretty much hunky dory. I hope for all your sakes that she isn't still in the picture.


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Me to Tam but I don't believe she out of it yet.... I believe in time she will be but it may be to late by then. He may be to far gone who knows.....

Well I am off to work ... Have a good evening ...

Thanks for posting ....

Hurting


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VTY,

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Hurting, I hope you have a wonderful peaceful weekend with DS.

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NewOutlook - Thanks for posting. I remember that you had pretty much given up! It really, really helps when people that have gone through this post with hopeful stories.

Believer you are a gem <img src="/ubbt/images/graemlins/cool.gif" alt="" /> right now for us it is baby steps...we have a long ways to go but once we are over the bumps in the road I will post more of my story...I think Lemonman is correct in his thoughts that some WS will return home...I have no idea what he said privately to the posters asking why he thought this but I suspect I know what he said...and agree to the reasons why as I have lived it <img src="/ubbt/images/graemlins/smile.gif" alt="" />


M 30 yrs. WS 50 (him) BS 51 (me) S 30 Granddaughters 5 and 8 DD July 4/03 MO Oct 4/03 NC Feb 14/04 Resumed A with OW March 1/04 Filed Petition for Divorce Jan13/05 How Many Roads Must A Man Travel Down Before He Admits He Is Lost?
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