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I will continue to keep you and your family in my prayers. Hang in there - God has a plan, and He will work it out, and you and your kids are a part of that.

Satan is on the hunt for you - every soul he takes from God hurts God, and that's his whole mission in life. It's not even about you or me - it's about hurting the Creator. We as individuals matter to God - we're just a body count to Satan in his battle with God. In other words, we matter little to the fallen one, so don't waste your time letting him undermine your belief and faith. He's not worth it.

Stay strong in your faith, and remember that the outcome is already determined, and the winner has already been announced. Don't let him undermine your confidence in God.

"Now faith is the substance of things hoped for, and the evidence of things not seen." (Hebrews 11:1, NKJV)

You are better armed and equipped for this fight than you might feel right now. To go back to the example you gave, you're the scared kid in an exposed position asking for help - and rest assured that help is on the way, even if you can't see or hear it yet. When it arrives, you'll be ready to carry the fight to the enemy.


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Is there any possibility of countering her arguments with her coming back to the marriage feigning reconciliation only to try to get custody back from you? I know you don't want to play dirty...but isn't that essentially what she has done since she seemed to never have ended her A?

Thank you all for the prayers. I am out of time tonight in trying to answer each one, as I am doing some final work for my attorney.

Yes Trix...that is exactly what we will say. And guess what? At 4pm the day before, they assign the judges for the next day's cases. We were hoping to get the same judge as before, as then he would probably not like my wife trying to get around his previous order.

At 4:15pm, I learned that it is indeed the previous judge that has been assigned!

One small step!

Also, we submitted our counter file today. I have asked for FULL legal and physical custody of the children, and child support.

And, I found out that her attorney made an offer today. He told my attorney they are offering a 4-day/three-day schedule (joint custody). Interesting that they are trying to make an offer!

Would love to hear what folks think about that? Safe way out? Or trust in the Lord and go for broke?

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Would love to hear what folks think about that? Safe way out? Or trust in the Lord and go for broke?

I'm no expert, but I'd say continue to trust in the Lord and go for broke. The simple fact that they're already offering what amount's to an out-of-court settlement tells me that they may believe they don't have a strong enough case to get what they're asking for.

As I understand your situation, you have intended to go for full custody all along, just as the first time. Don't give up your pursuit now, unless your attorney believes solidly that you should.

Weigh your options and pray about them. Just because the other side is throwing out a (soiled) white piece of cloth does not mean now is the time to accept their "surrender". Unless there are solid reasons for you to fight for less than full custody, do not accept anything short of an unconditional surrender. There is a time for mercy, and there is a time to press the attack.


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Would love to hear what folks think about that? Safe way out? Or trust in the Lord and go for broke?


Rhetorical questions???

"Just bow down and we won't throw you into the furnace, you meddlesome trio."

"Don't bow down and we'll keep you out of the lion's den Danny boy."

But YOU, brother, are on the front lines and only you have all the intel with which to answer your questions. I know, it's sort of "weaseling" on an answer, but it is the truth.

I am much more confident in your knowledge and your faith in God than I would be in any opinion that I could offer.

So, I'll do the "next best thing." May God grant you the wisdom of Solomon for the sake of His Son and His "bride."

God stengthen and uphold you, today and every day.

God bless.

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MM, Once again, my prayers are with you. I do have a question regarding your ensuing custody battle. Is your WW a bad mother or just someone who is basically a good person who's made some horrible decisions in the midst of her A?

If you feel (and your attorney agrees) that you have a good chance of getting primary custody of your children, then go for it! One thing to think about though. Who do you want to decide the fate of your family? The court or can you and your WW come to some agreement that will shield your children from the nightmare of a full blown custody evaluation? They are not only psychologically damaging to your kids but they are VERY costly for both you and your WW.

Don't you think it would be best if you could get in front of a mediator and work out the custody arrangement yourselves rather than leaving it up to the court? Is your WW a drug addict? Has she physically abused you and your children? Other than the fact that she is trapped in a fantasy world of her A, is she a bad mother? Think of those questions, trust me I've been there as our D was humming along. We went to a mediator and worked out our custody arrangement on OUR terms. Sure, I could have put it in the courts hands but I was advised by my attorney, the nediator and several mental health professionals to avoud the evaluation process because the courts STILL favor custody to the mother unless they are raging drug addicts ****** bent on destroying their lives and a danger to themselves and their family.

Keep in mind that in divorce, nobody wins and you know you got a fair shake when you are both equally pissed off about the settlement arrangements.

It's odd that I know more about the D process than I wish and only hope to avoid the D by learning the MB way from folks like yourself.

Again, my prayers go out to you.....


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Would love to hear what folks think about that? Safe way out? Or trust in the Lord and go for broke?


Rhetorical questions???

"Just bow down and we won't throw you into the furnace, you meddlesome trio."

"Don't bow down and we'll keep you out of the lion's den Danny boy."

But YOU, brother, are on the front lines and only you have all the intel with which to answer your questions. I know, it's sort of "weaseling" on an answer, but it is the truth.

I am much more confident in your knowledge and your faith in God than I would be in any opinion that I could offer.

So, I'll do the "next best thing." May God grant you the wisdom of Solomon for the sake of His Son and His "bride."

God stengthen and uphold you, today and every day.

God bless.

Thanks FH!! I guess that prayer is what I need. And wisdom to know what is the right path tomorrow, should such offers come up. Knowing whether they are God sent...or the enemy just trying to get something...that is the discernment I need!

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Thanks Barking! Good questions. Let me answer them individually.

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MM, Once again, my prayers are with you. I do have a question regarding your ensuing custody battle. Is your WW a bad mother or just someone who is basically a good person who's made some horrible decisions in the midst of her A?

She used to be a great Mom. She is no longer that. She has made poor decisions in regards to them, including the affair and divorce. She cannot be trusted. I wish she could be who she used to be.

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If you feel (and your attorney agrees) that you have a good chance of getting primary custody of your children, then go for it! One thing to think about though. Who do you want to decide the fate of your family? The court or can you and your WW come to some agreement that will shield your children from the nightmare of a full blown custody evaluation? They are not only psychologically damaging to your kids but they are VERY costly for both you and your WW.

Tried to negotiate. She wouldnt go for it. Interesting that they are now offering something.

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Don't you think it would be best if you could get in front of a mediator and work out the custody arrangement yourselves rather than leaving it up to the court? Is your WW a drug addict? Has she physically abused you and your children? Other than the fact that she is trapped in a fantasy world of her A, is she a bad mother? Think of those questions, trust me I've been there as our D was humming along. We went to a mediator and worked out our custody arrangement on OUR terms. Sure, I could have put it in the courts hands but I was advised by my attorney, the nediator and several mental health professionals to avoud the evaluation process because the courts STILL favor custody to the mother unless they are raging drug addicts ****** bent on destroying their lives and a danger to themselves and their family.

Keep in mind that in divorce, nobody wins and you know you got a fair shake when you are both equally pissed off about the settlement arrangements.

I wish we could. But unfortunately, she hasnt budged until now. So, we'll see wha tthis offer is tomorrow!

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It's odd that I know more about the D process than I wish and only hope to avoid the D by learning the MB way from folks like yourself.

Again, my prayers go out to you.....

Again, thanks!!

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It's dark outside. I've been driving through the countryside for about 45 min. Sunrise woun't be for awhile yet, not until around 6:00 am.

I see a light in the distance. It's bright white stands out against the darkness. It's good to see this light. I drive closer, I can finally make out the source of the light.

It's a small church, near the highway, surrounded by fields. The only light at the church comes from a lit cross, placed high upon its steple.

I smile, it's my reminder to say my prayers to the Lord. I pray and give thanks for all the blessings that the Lord has given me. I pray for my friends whom I've never met that the Lord will guide them in his will and grant them the strength to persurvere.

I remembered to include you this morning MM.

I had been wondering how you were doing. I had not seen your thread for awhile.

I'll remember to say another prayer for you in the morning again. I've got my roadside reminder <img src="/ubbt/images/graemlins/wink.gif" alt="" />.

May you receive GOD's blessing tomorrow. Let us know how things went when you can.


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MM - Safe way out? NO. This is a war my friend and you will be victorious and enjoy the spoils. God will not permit the emeny to destroy your children. Go for broke. I am thinking or you and praying for you my friend.

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MM said...She used to be a great Mom. She is no longer that. She has made poor decisions in regards to them, including the affair and divorce. She cannot be trusted. I wish she could be who she used to be.

So, you say she cannot be trusted. What do you mean by that? Is she an ill fit mother and a danger to your children or is it just that she cannot be trusted to be monogamous... to you. That does not constitute an unfit mother. Just more to think about before your big day tomorrow.

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MM, I am praying for you and your children at this moment. I am also praying for your wife...that somehow she sees even a little of the destruction that she is leaving in her wake.

As far as the joint custody offer...could it be that the children are making it known that they want to live with you? I would imagine that they are savvy enough to figure out exactly what their mother, with the help of MiL (who may be talking against you in their presence), is doing...and don't like it at all.


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I was glad to read your report today - and will pray for you through to completion of your report tomorrow.

One thought should give you comfort.

Your wife has lived in the light. Once a soul has been in that light, God claims it and the little fantasy the OM has nurtured with your wife has a seed of discontent sown by the Almighty - OM has caused her to abandon all that she once held dear. It will cost her dearly tomorrow no matter the outcome. At some point, she will see the birthright she gave up for a temporary fleeting thing with this evil man and that seed will sprout a conscience...

There have been times I've never expected to see that seed sprout where I could witness it. But when 1 of the fold is lost, Our Savior seeks out that One.


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Father, I lift up my brother to you today. I ask that you give him a spirit of peace today and that you will walk ahead of him and provide victory. I pray that your spirit will fill up the court room and confuse the enemy and the opposing attorney. That light will shine on any lies and have them be revealed.

I pray for the protection of the children and MM and a ruling that will give MM full custody. I also pray that his integrity will shine through and every one of his statements and actions will give you glory.

Thank you for the wisdom you give MM and I ask that your blessings fall abundantly upon him.

In the name of Jesus.

Amen

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Folks,

Thank you all. I am up now getting ready to go. "Prep for Combat."

The Lord was good to me last night. Due to all of the prayers, at about 7:30pm last night, the noise stopped and I fell asleep. I did not wake until 3:30am. I got this feeling as if someone was standing guard over me so I could rest. It was needed.

I have come to the point that I am not even praying about the outcome. As Jesus said...Father, let this cup pass. I have also asked this, and it will not pass. I dont want this fight this morning. Never did. But the battle has come to me and I have no choice.

Jesus the went on to say, as I said in a previous post...that nevertheless, let Your will be done. That is my main prayer today.

Again, from myself and my three children, I thank all of you for the support and prayers. This is not done alone!

I have spent a long time resting in the Lord...remaining in His arms. Today, I will stand. They can take all the shots at me they want. I will stand.

The last thing I remembered last night was what Jesus said on the Cross. Forgive them Father, for they know not what they do. My wife and her attorney have no idea what they are doing...how grieved the Lord is.

So, today I ask for justice and for His will be done. But I also ask that the Lord forgive them today that seek to destroy me. As my pastor said, they are not rebelling against or betraying you. They are doing so against the Lord.

Any soldier that says he is not scared before heading into combat is a liar. I am no different! I guess I just need to keep my eyes firmly on Him as I exit the boat.

Anyway, thank you all. Your prayers have made a difference. More than you know.

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So, you say she cannot be trusted. What do you mean by that? Is she an ill fit mother and a danger to your children or is it just that she cannot be trusted to be monogamous... to you. That does not constitute an unfit mother. Just more to think about before your big day tomorrow.


She is a WAYWARD SPOUSE..........they don't think about the welfare of anyone but themselves.

YES Mrs.Mortar does love her kids, but as Mortar has said before she loves herself above all others, right now even above the Lord.

Mortarman is a deeply religious man, and has been raising his kids in the word. He wants his children to grow up right, and his WW divorcing him to be with OM is showing them that evil, and adultery is an okay thing.

So, in my opinion she is indeed and unfit mother.

God Bless,

-Caren


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Mortar-

I prayed for you this morning, I prayed for your children. I also prayed that his will be done.

We all know that the Lord works in mysterious ways, I will be anxiously awaiting the results of your day in court.

We all love and respect you very much Mortar and our prayers go with you into that courtroom today.

God Bless You,

-Caren


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I got this feeling as if someone was standing guard over me so I could rest.

I occasionally get a 'burden' to pray in a certain way. I payed for a hedge of angels as was my burden. The Lord was faithful !

"Thank you Lord God for setting a hedge of angels around our Brother ! Praise you ! Include his children in that defensive ring that NO evil shall pass this day !"

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A soldiers prayer for a soldier, I said this prayer a few days ago for my DH who is again going to Afghanistan any time now.
I do hope and believe it will help you as it will my DH .....

Friends, we gather in this place ....to pray for our friends, husbands, brothers and sons who today are facing the ultimate test of a soldiers life, battle.
It is sometimes hard, in times like these, to understand God's will. We pray to be granted comfort and acceptance to bear what may be the unbearable.

Let us pray

Our good Lord, grant them to serve thee as thou deservest; to give and not to count the cost; to fight and not to heed the wounds; to toil and not to seek for rest; to labour and not to ask for any reward, save that of knowing that they do thy will; through Jesus Christ our Lord. Amen.

Unto God‘s gracious mercy and protection we commit them. The Lord bless them and keep them. The Lord make his face to shine upon them, and be gracious unto them. The Lord lift up his countenance upon them, and give them peace, both now and evermore. Amen.

all the best MM


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So, you say she cannot be trusted. What do you mean by that? Is she an ill fit mother and a danger to your children or is it just that she cannot be trusted to be monogamous... to you. That does not constitute an unfit mother. Just more to think about before your big day tomorrow.


She is a WAYWARD SPOUSE..........they don't think about the welfare of anyone but themselves.

YES Mrs.Mortar does love her kids, but as Mortar has said before she loves herself above all others, right now even above the Lord.

Mortarman is a deeply religious man, and has been raising his kids in the word. He wants his children to grow up right, and his WW divorcing him to be with OM is showing them that evil, and adultery is an okay thing.

So, in my opinion she is indeed and unfit mother.

God Bless,

-Caren

Caren,

I completely agree with you. Trust me, I (like everyone else here) has firsthand experience with this however, from the courts perspective it does not matter if the mom (or dad) is a wayward spouse (unless there is specific case law in that state to the contrary).

Just because the WS is a selfish pig, does not constitute an unfit parent. I'm only trying to point out things from the courts perspective and unless MM's WW is a raging crack addict and a danger to the kids, the primary custodian will more than likely be mom. The best MM should hope for is a 50/50 arrangement spending equal time with the kids.

My prayers are with you MM.....

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