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The fact that she is cheating with someone from AA after being in the program 3 months tells me a lot about her state of mind.

She is not really sober. She is a dry drunk.

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dry drunk definition


[color:"red"]Definition: A colloquial term generally used to describe someone who has stopped drinking, but who still demonstrates the same alcoholic behaviors and attitudes.
Also Known As: Dry, Not Sober [/color]

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... and, a dry drunk is more difficult to deal with than an alcoholic who is still drinking ....

Your wife has merely switched addictions.

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and now Mark knows why I chose to respond to your situation <img src="/ubbt/images/graemlins/smile.gif" alt="" />

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Pepper....
I've been reading you're carrot and stick... I have a question...but I'll get to that in a minute...

I don't know who her sponsor is... She said it was a female but it wouldn't surprise me if its the OM. She had a different female sponsor about 2 months ago then changed.

Ok… from you’re carrot and stick post on exposure…

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WAT has a great exposure thread ... read it

Can you give me a link or send me in the right direction?

Thanks Pepper….

BTW… I do appreciate your advice… Mark helped me really understand what you were saying about the kids…I appreciate it…


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I made an entry in another post about her last drunk... did you read it?


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I was thinking the exact same thing about her switching addictions...


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I made an entry in another post about her last drunk... did you read it?

no

and I am not too sharp at the moment, could you copy/paste for me please?

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I don't know who her sponsor is


I bet she does not have one .... opposite sex sponsors are discouraged, for obvious reasons

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Ok...

here's her last drunk....

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Melody,
As far as I know.... She doesn’t know that I know she's having an affair. (Is that confusing? LOL) At some point don't I need to tell her I know what she's doing?


I understand that Plan A doesn't work for alcoholics... However, In order for plan B to be effective shouldn't the last thing the WS remembers about you before you go dark is how you were meeting their emotional needs? I may be in somewhat of a gray area here because she already moved out… it would be difficult to meet any of her needs…


Funny you say something about Just Julie… I was reading her story just a few minutes ago…


I don’t see myself as co-dependant… I can’t tell you how many times I left her in a bar because she wouldn’t stop drinking…


Here’s a short story… you tell me if you think I have those tendencies.


The last time she got drunk (October 3rd 2007 the day she was supposed to go to court for her DWI but it got postponed.)


I came home at 5:30. She called at 7:30 and said she was at the bar (with her male friend from work… should have been a clue along time ago… DUH…) and was going to come get me and go back to the bar… we went …I drank 2 or 3 beers and then we left at about 9. I wasn’t drunk and I didn’t think she was either. On the way home we decided I was going to drop her off at the house, she was going to make us some tea and I was going to get milk from the store then come right back. I went to the store, then came home. When I got home she was having an argument with her daughter… I went to the bedroom and got on the computer…about 10 minutes later she came to the bedroom and I asked her if she was making tea? She said “Oh yea”… and left to go make tea… after about 10 minutes I hear a crash in the kitchen… I didn’t think too much of it… she must have dropped something. She falls down the stairs to our bedroom and she’s pissed her pants… At this point I know she’s drunk but I can’t understand how she got SOOOOOO drunk. When I dropped her off she seemed fine. (It’s been about 30-40 minutes since I she got home.) She stumbled into the bathroom and I went back to the computer. A couple of minutes later I hear a crash in the bathroom… she’s drunk and I figured she knocked something over. 5 minutes go by and she calls my name from the bathroom. I go in, she’s on the floor and there is a puddle of bright red blood the size of a paper plate on floor. Since she’s cooter brown drunk …she’s got the blood everywhere… on her clothes, on the toilette, on the sink… it looks like bloody murder. (I think she fell and hit her head on the corner of an open drawer.) I’m in the military, I’m certified in combat first aid… but this is enough blood that it scares me and I know that I have to do something quick. I find out where the blood’s coming from…she’s got a knot the size of a golf ball on her temple and theres an itsy bitsy cut too…(I’m still amazed that much blood came from that little bittty cut.) I get her cleaned up… get an ice pack for her head, get her undressed and get her in bed.


It gets worse from there on… but here’s the short version. She tries to talk to me in this drunken state about our marital problems. I try to be patient but there’s no reasoning with a drunk and she just ends up pissing me off… I go to the sofa… she follows 10 minutes later in a skimpy thing wanting sex and continuing to try and talk about our problems… My exact words were…”You have a drinking problem, you’re too drunk, and I’m not having this conversation with you right now ”… Her drunken response… “You ownt eber have dis conservation ”(Yes that right…CONSERVATION)…. My response…. “You’re so damn drunk you can’t even say conversation”… Then she attempts to go back to the bedroom… Crash bang boom…. She falls down the stairs and is on her [censored]… Now I’m hot… I get up, go to the stairs and say… “If you don’t think you have a drinking problem then you are exactly where you need to be right now.” When she woke up in the morning with a golf ball size knot on her temple and couldn’t remember how it got there, she suddenly decided she had a drinking problem and started going to AA. As far as I know she hasn’t had a drink since.


I asked her how she got so drunk and she thinks she had 3 or 4 shots of liquor after I dropped her off.


She got her DWI in our driveway… I could have saved her by making her go in the house… the officer would have had to get a search warrant to come in and get her… by that time she would have been sober. BUT… I didn’t…Mostly I let her make her own mistakes but when it comes to her bleeding to death I think I had to do something.


I find it somewhat humorous now but at the time it wasn’t. (Feel free to giggle if ya want… its OK) Sometimes people have to hit bottom before they admit there’s a problem… I thought the DWI was it…but it wasn’t


Anyway enough about my drunken wife….


I know I should probably go to some AL-ANON meetings but right now I’m kinda pissed off at Alcoholics Anonymous. I feel that my wife went there to get help and was preyed upon when she was most vulnerable by an alcoholic vulture. It might not be too productive for me to go there right now.


I got my books today…. It’s late and I need to read.


Sorry if I vented but I feel better now…..LOL….


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Have you spoken to her physician about her alcoholism?

She probably did not 'out' herself to her doctor. Very few do.

Call & make an appointment for yourself with her physician.

Expose the alcoholism and tell that story (just as you told it here) about her falling down.

She may need more medical help than you realize. Women's bodies get wrecked by booze at a faster rate.

Probably nothing will happen right away ... but believe me, on her next doctor's visit, it will be discussed.

Mention the adultery only in passing as a symptom of her alcoholism.

A suggestion - but a strong suggestion

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in reality

her very life is at stake

fixing the marriage is a lower priority

sorry .... reality check

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Have you discovered this list posted by Mr Wondering?


[color:"blue"]OK...the list of Do's and Don'ts.

Do's
1. Act Happy
2. Get a life (new activities, etc.)
3. repeat over and over..."I will make it"
4. Actively LISTEN....keep conversations at "to the point...small talk" ...don't blow it up beyond the waywards current comfort zone
5. Tend to Agree (Thank you for your truthfulness, It seems that way, you have a point)
6. Expand your social relationships (Being especially aware of your own vulnerability and keeping sharing and time with opposite sex relationships to an absolute minimum)
7. Get sexy (gym, new clothes, etc)
8. Focus on your strengths and Positives...don't put yourself down verbally or constantly go over what you did wrong
9. Accept Uncertainty (Do your best today and let God take care of tommorrow)

DON'Ts

1. Repeatedly say "I love you"
2. Ask questions that don't have answers yet
3. Criticize, complain, whine or nag
4. Say, "I've changed"....allow the wayward spouse to simply judge your actions
5. Argue, Reason or Plead
6. Don't get family or friends overly involved in recovery (notice I said "in recovery", EXPOSURE to bust up an active affair IS ESSENTIAL and EXPOSURE to the OP's spouse is an absolute MUST)
7. Act helpless or depressed
8. Discuss morality, invoke God or Dr. Laura type babble
9. Suggest marital counseling (must be the waywards idea)
10. Tell them continually "we need to work on the relationship"
11. GIVE UP [/color]

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Thanks Pepper...

I understand what you're saying about her life... I think she's in a downward spiral right now and it's only getting worse.

Umm...Just currious and I don't want un-caring but what will talking to her doctor do?


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I think I've read that post... what's the name of the post?


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Umm...Just currious and I don't want un-caring but what will talking to her doctor do?

Physician would likely order certain lab tests to check for liver damage.

Physician would avoid prescribing certain medications that can be dangerous (even lethal) if taken with alcohol

Physician would likely attempt one-on-one counseling:

"Let's talk about your drinking."

The reason I mention this, I did tests on a woman & results showed that her liver was in early stages of damage. Prior to this I had NO IDEA she was alcoholic. She is lovely, smart, kind, etc.

We spoke & I told her she needs to stop drinking it will cause her permanent damage in the not too distant future if she persisted.

ONE YEAR LATER --- she returned (with a female friend for support) and she said
"I'm ready to quit drinking now."

That was 10 years ago - she is just wonderful & healthy and her liver enzymes are normal.

You certainly do not have to do this, it is just a suggestion based on my experience. If she does not have a regular physician, it probably won't be of use.

Does she take prescription drugs that you know of?

I am not a physician by the way - something else.

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Ummm I don't think there's anything she takes on a regular basis.


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I'll let you go for now. I think you have a lot on your plate already.

Try and relax.

You do not have to 'do' things to fix WW.

Be well.

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I'll try... but its hard...

One last question... before you go...


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