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Originally Posted by ImStaying
The hugs at the end were a little staged, though.

I didn't bother me. I'm sure the whole thing was ackward for him and even those he hugged. He could see his mother was upset. Nothing wrong with hugging mom or his supporters IMO.

LOL, I hear Gloria Allread is yelling that her client still hasn't gotten an apology. rotflmao


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He said the right things, in my view. How he acts in the next few years will be telling, of course.

My only gripe is the reference 2 his infidelity as a private matter. Secret matter would be the correct characterization. At least he clearly stated that these issues are between him and Elin, between the H and the W. He didn't mention the OWs, as rightly they are nobodys and are owed nothing but complete silence.

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There was one section of his speech where he talked about how he thought he was "entitled" and "the normal rules and boundaries didn't apply to me". It was probably written by his rehab team, but could apply to any WS - famous or not. If I can find a transcription for it (I ain't doin' it! I only do that when I get paid for it!) I'll post it here.

He also insisted, rather surprisingly, that Elin never hit him. Translation: If I accuse her of felony domestic violence, she may well be deported and take the kids with her. That would make my situation even worse, so I'm stickin' by my story.

I think she DID hit him with that golf club and that's why he has not been seen for three months - the damage needed time to heal. And those side windows on the SUV didn't get busted out because Tiger bumped into the shrubbery.

I still say that was the best therapy he ever got.


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Originally Posted by Mulan
I think she DID hit him with that golf club and that's why he has not been seen for three months - the damage needed time to heal. And those side windows on the SUV didn't get busted out because Tiger bumped into the shrubbery.

I still say that was the best therapy he ever got.

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Originally Posted by 2long
He said the right things, in my view. How he acts in the next few years will be telling, of course.

My only gripe is the reference 2 his infidelity as a private matter. Secret matter would be the correct characterization. At least he clearly stated that these issues are between him and Elin, between the H and the W. He didn't mention the OWs, as rightly they are nobodys and are owed nothing but complete silence.

-ol' 2long
Agreed. He sounds like a man going through a 12 step program which is not a bad thing. He took responsibility and blame. He never mentioned the ho's, he said his words were not enough that his future actions will be what counts. Time will tell and since this was all so public it will be very difficult for a long while for him to cheat.

Oh and btw, there ARE OW out there that are "thick" enough to still believe they are "special". dramaqueen


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He also insisted, rather surprisingly, that Elin never hit him. Translation: If I accuse her of felony domestic violence, she may well be deported and take the kids with her. That would make my situation even worse, so I'm stickin' by my story.

Could be. For certain she busted the window and at least ran after him with the club, but I'm not certain she hit him. Anyone who has ever played golf knows the damage a whack from a golf club can do. If she hit him in the head with a club, he would have been down for count.


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Originally Posted by Mulan
There was one section of his speech where he talked about how he thought he was "entitled" and "the normal rules and boundaries didn't apply to me". It was probably written by his rehab team, but could apply to any WS - famous or not. If I can find a transcription for it (I ain't doin' it! I only do that when I get paid for it!) I'll post it here.

He also insisted, rather surprisingly, that Elin never hit him. Translation: If I accuse her of felony domestic violence, she may well be deported and take the kids with her. That would make my situation even worse, so I'm stickin' by my story.

I think she DID hit him with that golf club and that's why he has not been seen for three months - the damage needed time to heal. And those side windows on the SUV didn't get busted out because Tiger bumped into the shrubbery.

I still say that was the best therapy he ever got.
Yup and I am hoping that was enough for him to see the ANGUISH his dear wife was in because of his actions.


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Yeah, and my H spent 18 mos in MC with Steve Harley, went to Everyman's Battle, couples recovery weekend for sexual betrayal, a forgiveness seminar, a week with a Prayer minister for inner healing, read every book and listened to every tape I gave him, met with a pastor weekly all because he was told or knew that was what he had to do to please everyone and make it look good in their eyes that he was "dealing" with his A and betrayal.

He still feels the same way about the OW, me, and our marriage as he did before doing any of it.

Going through the approved "motions" does not guarantee change.


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If she hit him in the head with a club, he would have been down for count.

The neighbor who called 911 said Tiger was lying motionless in the driveway "snoring". That's the description of somebody who is unconscious and struggling to breathe.

He did go to the hospital and they did work on for a while. There were reports that he was intubated because he was having trouble breathing. I think he *was* down for the count and took a very long time to physically heal.

Anyway - let's hope he means what he said. This whole thing has been a very good lesson for all cheating married men out there and for all the women stupid enough to believe what they say.

And does anyone here still think Exposure does not work? smile



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From a Yahoo report about the speech...

Veronica Siwik-Daniels, one of Woods' alleged mistresses and a former pornographic performer, watched the event with attorney in a Los Angeles radio studio.

"I really feel I deserve to look at him in person face to face in the eyes because I did not deserve this," she said.


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This was about more than I could stand. Is she serious? She thinks she deserves an apology from the married man she had sex with?

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I didn't hear that part but I do remember he was supposedly awakened from his Ambien induced coma but an angry Elin. Between the Ambien and frantically running into a tree in order to escape a golf club carrying angry wife, no doubt the guy was stroking out on his lawn. grin

But seriously, a good club swing to the head would have caused more damage IMO but who knows. I do agree that that experience alone was the best eye openning therapy he could ever get.


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Originally Posted by SmilingWoman
From a Yahoo report about the speech...

Veronica Siwik-Daniels, one of Woods' alleged mistresses and a former pornographic performer, watched the event with attorney in a Los Angeles radio studio.

"I really feel I deserve to look at him in person face to face in the eyes because I did not deserve this," she said.


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This was about more than I could stand. Is she serious? She thinks she deserves an apology from the married man she had sex with?


It really is astounding. I don't know where women get this mindset. The wedding industry is absolutely huge and outrageous sums of money are spent on the event, but then people insist that the marriage itself can be disrespected and crapped on and utterly ignored and they don't understand what's wrong with that - ?

Jane Velez-Mitchell on CNN keeps whining, "Well, these women didn't take vows with Tiger! They shouldn't be blamed!" Well, Jane, it's good to know that YOU don't feel it's necessary for people to respect anyone else's marriage. I'm sure you won't mind if your marriage or a loved one's marriage is utterly ignored and disrespected.

Gloria Allred should be bloody well ashamed of herself. She says she wants to "defend women from abuse from men" - so, why isn't she defending women like Elin? Any betrayed wife is suffering from the worst kind of emotional abuse at the hands of her husband, but Gloria seems entirely blind to that aspect.

She also seems fine with the idea of women abusing women, since she is defending the intrusive homewreckers who nearly destroyed Elin's marriage (and may still destroy it.)

And doesn't Gloria realize that when she defends these stupid ho-bags, she is only legitimizing their homewrecking behavior and setting them up to do it again - and sending the message to other stupid women with low self esteem that you should be able to help yourself to a married man and he should value and respect that behavior (and I guess his wife should, too).

As somebody once said, Gloria couldn't be any more stupid if she cut off her head. But no doubt she is making Big Money defending these loser women.


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Smiling Woman -- think Veronica was so dense she didn't know Tiger Woods was married? " Oh, my gosh! He's a married man? I am so dissed! He needs to apologize to me for breaking his marriage covenant with poor little innocent me!"(Veronica)


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Or maybe her excuse was my OW's excuse. "He made PASSES at me!". So of course, she had to have sex with a married man. No other course of action.

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I am so angry I could spit!

I didn't watch the TV spot, and I haven't read Tiger's statement. I don't care.

But would one of you Boston-based people please call Jay Severin and remind him that Tiger and Elin WERE MARRIED!!!

Jay seems to be taking the position that hey, on average 3 women a year is "normal" and does not indicate sex addiction, and that Tiger is a "beaten man" that doesn't deserve the public humiliation, etc. etc.

Somebody call Jay and ask him if he and his wife took vows when they married, and how would he feel if his wife did a "Tiger" on him...


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For your enjoyment, CBC's article on this (http://www.cbc.ca/sports/story/2010/02/19/sp-woods-speaks.html) has this statement at the very end:
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Veronica Siwik-Daniels, one of Woods's alleged mistresses and a former pornographic performer, watched the event with her attorney in a Los Angeles radio studio.

"I really feel I deserve to look at him in person face to face in the eyes because I did not deserve this," she said.


Oh wahhhhhhhh!!!

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Originally Posted by SmilingWoman
From a Yahoo report about the speech...

Veronica Siwik-Daniels, one of Woods' alleged mistresses and a former pornographic performer, watched the event with attorney in a Los Angeles radio studio.

"I really feel I deserve to look at him in person face to face in the eyes because I did not deserve this," she said.


Yahoo News

Boo hoo. You know why she thinks she "didn't deserve this"? Cuz she's normally PAID to have sex!

I guess she's still looking to get paid for "her services"......

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I guess she's still looking to get paid for "her services"......

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From tmz.com (they have the full transcript):

I did think this part was worthwhile, and is what every WS needs to understand. Whether he truly believes this remains to be seen:

*****
The issue involved here was my repeated irresponsible behavior. I was unfaithful. I had affairs. I cheated. What I did is not acceptable, and I am the only person to blame.

I stopped living by the core values that I was taught to believe in. I knew my actions were wrong, but I convinced myself that normal rules didn't apply. I never thought about who I was hurting. Instead, I thought only about myself. I ran straight through the boundaries that a married couple should live by. I thought I could get away with whatever I wanted to. I felt that I had worked hard my entire life and deserved to enjoy all the
temptations around me. I felt I was entitled. Thanks to money and fame, I didn't have to go far to find them.

I was wrong. I was foolish. I don't get to play by different rules. The same boundaries that apply to everyone apply to me. I brought this shame on myself. I hurt my wife, my kids, my mother, my wife's family, my friends, my foundation, and kids all around the world who admired me.

I've had a lot of time to think about what I've done. My failures have made me look at myself in a way I never wanted to before. It's now up to me to make amends, and that starts by never repeating the mistakes I've made. It's up to me to start living a life of integrity.
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Yes, his speech writer was very good.

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