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Originally Posted by indarkness
Just keep in mind that if you do get a job that is out of state, she may file to keep you and the kids around, if she can (not sure if it works that way in TX or not).

Most wording in Texas says that you have to reside in the county or a contiguous county when filing for joint custody.





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Yes, you are right, but whoever has primary can pretty much do what they want unless the courts order a geographical restriction which seldom happens. At least I know why she's been so nice lately, she's got het booty call back. As far as joint custody, that is what she wants, not what is in the best interest of the kids. As for all of you worried that I am helping her with a letter in regards to her arrest....what good would it do anyone for her to have a record and lose her job? Ya, a big part of me wants to stick the knife in and twist, but that only hurts the kids. She'll have her own hell coming very soon, which will be her own doing. The fact that she is seeing him again and thinking I will be somehow amicable shows how dimented she has become. Of course she dosen'tknow that I know. I am not going to do anything that will hurt her at work, but I'm going to fight for ME and the kids.

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Originally Posted by patriot45
Yes, you are right, but whoever has primary can pretty much do what they want unless the courts order a geographical restriction which seldom happens. At least I know why she's been so nice lately, she's got het booty call back. As far as joint custody, that is what she wants, not what is in the best interest of the kids. As for all of you worried that I am helping her with a letter in regards to her arrest....what good would it do anyone for her to have a record and lose her job? Ya, a big part of me wants to stick the knife in and twist, but that only hurts the kids. She'll have her own hell coming very soon, which will be her own doing. The fact that she is seeing him again and thinking I will be somehow amicable shows how dimented she has become. Of course she dosen'tknow that I know. I am not going to do anything that will hurt her at work, but I'm going to fight for ME and the kids.

Absent anything major, you will have joint custody. Joint Custody is a legal term used to say both parents have equal legal rights to make decisions for the kids. Visitation is another ball of wax - in your case, you would have Joint Custody with primary residency with you. If you go 50/50, most states state it as shared. Sole Custody only means that one parent can make legal decisions for the kids but the other parent would have visitation rights absent any other issues.


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Pat - Know that RMX offered a set of eyes in the alamo city - there are other eyes here in the dfw as well - just so ya know.



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"The fact that she is seeing him again and thinking I will be somehow amicable shows how dimented she has become."

Know you are demented. WW is back to banging the OM and you want to write the letter so she beats the charges against her. Making it easier for WW to fight you for custody.

And you are worried that WW will get fired if you don't.

Getting fired is the best thing to happen. Why do you want WW to keep a job that lets her keep banging the OM?

Demented, denial, delusional��

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Maybe you don't understand my point. Right now her being with the OM is not my main concern. She loses her job, we lose everything. My kids and I are what is important. She can play her little games and continue down her road of self destruction, that's her choice. But how selfish would it be for me to have her lose her job because she's "banging another guy". Time to move forward. I am fighting for me and my kids..PERIOD. She and her lacivious behaviour are secondary.

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Might take you up on the DFW one next week.

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Originally Posted by patriot45
Maybe you don't understand my point. Right now her being with the OM is not my main concern. She loses her job, we lose everything. My kids and I are what is important. She can play her little games and continue down her road of self destruction, that's her choice. But how selfish would it be for me to have her lose her job because she's "banging another guy". Time to move forward. I am fighting for me and my kids..PERIOD. She and her lacivious behaviour are secondary.

You get divorced you and your children lose everything. She gets fired, you fall on temporary hardship. Big difference. If you had given up on your marriage and were fighting for your kids, you would have put her out of the house when you had a chance and filed. You halfway plan at both is going to lose your marriage and sole custody of your kids.


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My hope for you is that you don't look back on this time and say, "WHAT IF?"

Good Luck to you Pat.

I hope your KIDS get the lives they deserve.

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Originally Posted by patriot45
Might take you up on the DFW one next week.

really? Why? You know she's screwing OM yet you have accepted it and choose to do nothing about it.

F her job. There is no way you should write a letter to get her charges dismissed.


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>but whoever has primary can pretty much do what they want unless the courts order a geographical restriction which seldom happens

Who told you that?

In Texas, you have to petition to get the GR LIFTED.

Livin' it right now.

The GR IS the county of residence and it's contigious counties...if you want to move outside that, you've got to petition to get it waived (unless your attorney pulls a sneaky and your WW signs it w/out reading it).

Right now, we're toying with the idea of moving to the DFW area, so we're petitioning to have the GR lifted since a$$mom rarely exercises visitation and even more rarely pays her CS. We might not get it, tho, since once in a blue moon she'll pick the kids up.

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Maybe I missed it but has there been more evidence found? After the hotel/hangup thing?

Yeah, I know that is pretty damning.


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"Maybe you don't understand my point. Right now her being with the OM is not my main concern"

This means that you don't care if your WW leaves you for the OM. Then she should. Because you only view your WW as a meal ticket.

New jobs can be found. Credit restored. New homes and cars bought.

Can't buy a wife, well at least not a good one, can't by a family for your kids.

Glad to see you have your priorities straight.

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One of my convos with POSOW I told her that I would go to their work and talk to her if she wouldn't meet with me. Her response was, "But then we would both get fired." My response, "I don't care if you both get fired. I would live under a bridge in a cardboard box, as long as I was with my family and we were happy."

I wouldn't literally live under a cardboard box but I wanted to make my point that I could not be bought.

She also once said, "If I won the lottery I would give you anything you wanted." My response was, "All I want is for you to stay away from my Husband." She did for 3 days, but then it was hot and heavy again.

Money and things isn't everything. You will still be able to do something. That's why you need to have a PLAN because flying by the seat of your pants is CRAZY MAKING.


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Every BS has a right to choose not to R his M. If that is Pat's choice, I support him wholeheartedly and if he is making decisions on what will be best for him and his boys based on that choice, more power to him. His BW has been heartless, cruel and totally nonresponsive. Perhaps D will turn her around. Perhaps not but Patriot has earned the right to drive his own bus at this point. Ladylong legs has chosen a similiar path, self preservation.

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What is he teaching his kids? You have to accept abuse and infidelity if you need the money? How to not stand up for what is right? His actions are nowhere near Ladylonglegs. She has a backbone and didn't take any bs from her WH. Pat is looking for any excuse to NOT take action.


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Well, at the end of the day we have to live with our choices and the consequences of acting/not acting.

I came here like most everyone else, clueless, scared, hurt, angry and not knowing what to do. I got lots of good advice (and some not so good) but ultimately I did what seemed to be the right things.

Even today, with WW gone and in pitch black for six weeks, I have my moments of doubt. But all in all, I can hold up my head and realize that I'm getting through it with the help of the people here on MB!

No two circumstances are the same, and it's beyond me to guess which marriage could have been saved and which one not due to the failure to heed the advice.

For me, the simple fact is that there was a place to turn to for advice! I can't say that I followed everything to a "T," but it certainly helped me a whole lot more than if I'd never found this place and stumbled headlong into the insane asylum.

Urge, prod and cite as much as you/we can. Ultimately, though, the decision on how to proceed is left up to us. And we have to live with those choices.


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Originally Posted by patriot45
As for all of you worried that I am helping her with a letter in regards to her arrest....what good would it do anyone for her to have a record and lose her job?

Who said she would lose her job? Did her boss tell you this? Company CEO?....I betcha it came from WW, who as we all know, LIES. Yes, she could lose her job, but then again, she might not. MAYBE, she should have thought about that before her temper tantrum. Maybe she should have thought about that before boinking the OM. BUT since she didn't, her current plan of making YOU the bad guy, the guilty party, and bullying you into helping her get out of the charges is working wonders. What's worse is you LET her do it!!!!....I just don't get this Pat. She is big girl. She is not going to view you as a hero for coming to her defense, not on this one. The only thing she will learn is that she can bully and manipulate you inot her bidding.


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Ya, a big part of me wants to stick the knife in and twist, but that only hurts the kids.

This is NOT about revenge. It is doing what is RIGHT by her. AND you kids. How is this going to hurt your kids???...If you ask me, you are hurting them MORE by letting them witness that there are no consequences for bad behavior. God help you when they become teens......you are going to need it.

You know what else is bad for kids? DIVORCE. Here's some interesting facts on studies done on the effects of divorce on children....


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18 Shocking Statistics About
Children and Divorce


These days most people accept divorce as a way of life, completely unaware of the damage they are doing to their children. Tell your friends, acquaintances and co-workers to read these shocking statistics about divorce and children. It may help save a child�s life down the road. (And no, I�m not figuratively speaking either�.just keep reading to find out what I mean.)

Statistics about Children and Divorce


1. Half of all American children will witness the breakup of a parent�s marriage. Of these, close to half will also see the breakup of a parent�s second marriage.� (Furstenberg, Peterson, Nord, and Zill, �Life Course�)

2. Among the millions of children who have seen their parents divorce, one of every 10 will also live through three or more parental marriage breakups. (The Abolition of Marriage, Gallagher)

3. Forty percent of children growing up in America today are being raised without their fathers. (Wade, Horn and Busy, �Fathers, Marriage and Welfare Reform� Hudson Institute Executive Briefing, 1997)

4. Of all children born to married parents this year, fifty percent will experience the divorce of their parents before they reach their 18th birthday. (Fagan, Fitzgerald, Rector, �The Effects of Divorce On America)

The EMOTIONALLY Damaging Statistics about children and divorce

5. Studies in the early 1980�s showed that children in repeat divorces earned lower grades and their peers rated them as less pleasant to be around. (Andrew J. Cherlin, Marriage, Divorce, Remarriage �Harvard University Press 1981)

6. Teenagers in single-parent families and in blended families are three times more likely to need psychological help within a given year. (Peter Hill �Recent Advances in Selected Aspects of Adolescent Development� Journal of Child Psychology and Psychiatry 1993)

7. Compared to children from homes disrupted by death, children from divorced homes have more psychological problems. (Robert E. Emery, Marriage, Divorce and Children�s Adjustment� Sage Publications, 1988)

These statistics about children and divorce are pretty shocking, aren�t they?

The DEATH of a parent is LESS devastating to a child than a DIVORCE. (Even I wouldn�t believe this if I didn�t see the statistic myself.)

The PHYSICALLY Damaging Statistics About Children and Divorce


8. Children of divorce are at a greater risk to experience injury, asthma, headaches and speech defects than children whose parents have remained married. (Dawson, �Family Structure and Children�s Health and Well Being� National Health Interview Survey on Child Health, Journal of Marriage and the Family)

9. Following divorce, children are fifty percent more likely to develop health problems than two parent families. (Angel, Worobey, �Single Motherhood and Children�s Health�)

10. Children living with both biological parents are 20 to 35 percent more physically healthy than children from broken homes. (Dawson, �Family Structure and Children�s Health and Well-being� Journal of Marriage and the Family)

11. Most victims of child molestation come from single-parent households or are the children of drug ring members. (Los Angles Times 16 September 1985 The Garbage Generation)

12. A Child in a female-headed home is 10 times more likely to be beaten or murdered. (The Legal Beagle, July 1984, from �The Garbage Generation�)

This is what I mean when I said �these statistics on divorce and children could save a child�s life someday.� Did you read #12? A child raised by his/her mother is 10 times more likely to be beaten or murdered.

The Long Term Effects and Statistics About Children and Divorce

13. A study of children six years after a parental marriage breakup revealed that even after all that time, these children tended to be �lonely, unhappy, anxious and insecure. (Wallerstein �The Long-Term Effects of Divorce on Children� Journal of the American Academy of Child and Adolescent Psychiatry 1991)

14. Seventy percent of long-term prison inmates grew up in broken homes. (Horn, Bush, �Fathers, Marriage and Welfare Reform)

Problems Relating to Peers

15. Children of divorce are four times more likely to report problems with peers and friends than children whose parents have kept their marriages intact. (Tysse, Burnett, �Moral Dilemmas of Early Adolescents of Divorced and Intact Families. Journal of Early Adolescence 1993)

16. Children of divorce, particularly boys, tend to be more aggressive toward others than those children whose parents did not divorce. (Emery, �Marriage, Divorce and Children�s Adjustment, 1988)

Suicide Statistics About Children and Divorce

17. People who come from broken homes are almost twice as likely to attempt suicide than those who do not come from broken homes. (Velez-Cohen, �Suicidal Behavior and Ideation in a Community Sample of Children� Journal of the American Academy of Child and Adolescent Psychiatry 1988)

High School Drop Out Statistics About Children and Divorce

18. Children of divorced parents are roughly two times more likely to drop out of high school than their peers who benefit from living with parents who did not divorce. (McLanahan, Sandefur, �Growing Up With a Single Parent: What Hurts, What Helps� Harvard University Press 1994)
I can�t stress how important it is to know all the facts before you get a divorce. Your child�s life is in your hands. If you�re seriously considering divorce and you haven�t attempted to save your marriage , I�ve just given you 18 reasons why it�s at least worth a try to keep your family together.

Does that shake you up any?.....I'm being tough for a reason Pat. Because I care. I understand about being in Plan C (confusion...). I understand about WS being mean, spiteful, and a bully to get their way. I've been through ALL of that. And it sucks. The time that I was most strong and PROUD of myself was the times I stuck to the my PLANS. The empowered me. I HATED feeling helpless and victimized. I HATED the self-doubt and lack of confidence. BUT when I followed my PLANS, all of that SOARED. Even in the face of adversity. Being in the place you are in does NOT serve yourself well.....and it makes very sad for you....

Originally Posted by pat
She'll have her own hell coming very soon, which will be her own doing. The fact that she is seeing him again and thinking I will be somehow amicable shows how dimented she has become.

She is not demented, she is going by what YOU are telling and showing her. It might be false, but it is the IMPRESSION you are giving off.....your FEAR of the unknown, her not having a job and being broke is very evident on here, so it has to be showing through at home.

Originally Posted by pat
I am not going to do anything that will hurt her at work, but I'm going to fight for ME and the kids.

HOW are you going to do this?? What is your PLAN Pat? It all sounds good, but unless you have SPECIFIC Plans that you are going to follow, then it is all talk.....

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Okay, maybe it was an overstatement to say it's secondary. I realize it is time for plan B, but how to do that when you live together is hard to figure out how to manage that. of course I want to save my marriage or else I wouldn't be posting so much. Ya, I understand the perseption of me being week and not having a plan, but I do have limits on what I will do. I find it hard to understand how her losing her job is a good thing. Isn't that vendictive and spitefull? Ya, she will have to pay for what she's done, but I'm not going to destroy her. For me, that is to much. I will fight for my rights and those of my kids, but not at any cost.

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Originally Posted by patriot45
Okay, maybe it was an overstatement to say it's secondary. I realize it is time for plan B, but how to do that when you live together is hard to figure out how to manage that. of course I want to save my marriage or else I wouldn't be posting so much. Ya, I understand the perseption of me being week and not having a plan, but I do have limits on what I will do. I find it hard to understand how her losing her job is a good thing. Isn't that vendictive and spitefull? Ya, she will have to pay for what she's done, but I'm not going to destroy her. For me, that is to much. I will fight for my rights and those of my kids, but not at any cost.

1) Getting her out of the house for plan B would have been easy if you wouldn't have let her back in after the arrest.

2) Losing her job is a good thing if that job is making her travel to where OM lives and is her only reason she would ever see him again. Again, you are firing her, so how can that be vindictive on your part. She would be the one getting herself fired, not you. Your goal is to not shelter her from the consequences of her affair. If some behavior has bad consequences, you are less likely to continue that behavior. If there are no consequences for continuing her affair, there is no reason for her to stop it.

Trust us, all this stuff she'll get over, as long as she isn't under the addiction of her affair.


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