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Originally Posted by chrisner
If you are ambushed and do nothing, you will die. If you take action to break up the ambush you are still at risk but you have a chance. You get a fighting chance.

Technically (and tactically) speaking, you have to get out of the kill zone. If you remain in the kill zone and attempt to fight back, you will be destroyed.

Someone else can turn that into an MB analogy.

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Originally Posted by chrisner
If you are ambushed and do nothing, you will die. If you take action to break up the ambush you are still at risk but you have a chance. You get a fighting chance.

Technically (and tactically) speaking, you have to get out of the kill zone. If you remain in the kill zone and attempt to fight back, you will be destroyed.

Someone else can turn that into an MB analogy.


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Considering the source I will defer to this however the term "assault the ambush" was widely used in Vietnam and from the Camp Lejeune 2008 USMC FMST Student Manual on Patrolling:

Immediate Action Drills - there are times when contact with the enemy is unexpected. For this we have immediate action drills.

Hasty Ambush - used when you see the enemy before being seen. You quickly move into a concealed area and engage the enemy or allow them to pass.

Danger Area - is where the patrol is vulnerable to the enemy observation and/or fire (roads, open areas).

Immediate Assault - used when you are caught in a near ambush. Turn in the direction of the ambush and assault the ambush.

Near Ambush (50 meters or less) - the killing zone is under heavy, highly concentrated, close range firing. Turn in the direction of the ambush, staying aligned, and assault through the ambush.

Far Ambush (Over 50 meters) - the killing zone is under very heavy, highly concentrated firing, but from a greater range. The range allows people in the killing zone to seek cover and return fire. Those members not caught in the kill zone will envelop the ambush.


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I was wondering when someone was going to bring up what kind of ambush, not to mention that for a near ambush, you assault THROUGH the ambush, not just assault the ambush.

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Originally Posted by MelodyLane
Originally Posted by chrisner

I don't get it. Invader breaks into the house and he bravely defends his family. But an invader breaks into his marriage and his children's family and he turns French.. crazy

Do you watch the Simpsons? Homer called the French "Cheese eating surrender monkies!" I know that is not politically correct, but I about died!


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Originally Posted by barbiecat
Originally Posted by MelodyLane
Originally Posted by chrisner

I don't get it. Invader breaks into the house and he bravely defends his family. But an invader breaks into his marriage and his children's family and he turns French.. crazy

Do you watch the Simpsons? Homer called the French "Cheese eating surrender monkies!" I know that is not politically correct, but I about died!

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Man, you all are a tough crowd. Okay for the purposes of this thread we shall go with the USMC definition of a Near Ambush.


Originally Posted by Marine MCWP 3-11.2 Scouting and Patrolling
Near Ambush. In a near ambush, the killing zone is under very heavy, highly concentrated, close range fire. There is little time or space for members to maneuver or seek cover. The longer they remain in the killing zone, the greater the chance they will become casualties. Therefore, if members in the killing zone are attacked by a near ambush, they immediately assault without order or signal directly into the ambush position, occupy it, and continue the assault or break contact as directed.



They don't mention the pucker factor in that anywhere.

Not a job for cheese-eating surrender monkeys.

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So I am assuming that the basic message here is that instead of cowering and shuddering and being afraid to upset, embarass, or make mad the wayward spouse, the answer is to stand up and take advice from someone who made his lifetime career saving marriages.

Just checking.

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Yup, no matter how you look at it, the Marine Corps way or the right way, if you remain in the kill zone, even seeking cover, you're going to lose.

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So I am assuming that the basic message here is that instead of cowering and shuddering and being afraid to upset, embarass, or make mad the wayward spouse, the answer is to stand up and take advice from someone who made his lifetime career saving marriages.

Just checking.

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I'm feisty today....not in much of a "but but but" or pick apart the analogy mood.

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Also, the best response should no longer be referred to as a "tsunami of truth," but instead a "JDAM of truth."

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Also, the best response should no longer be referred to as a "tsunami of truth," but instead a "JDAM of truth."


I had to look that up. Cool. Increasing the IQ of dumb bombs.


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Originally Posted by lurioosi2
I'm feisty today....not in much of a "but but but" or pick apart the analogy mood.

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I call it opening up a can of Texas Whoop [censored]!! hurray

And leave your pistol in the car, fellas. smile


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I call it opening up a can of Texas Whoop [censored]!! hurray

And leave your pistol in the car, fellas. smile


rotflmao Silly Texans.


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Originally Posted by stillhere8126
Originally Posted by MelodyLane
I call it opening up a can of Texas Whoop [censored]!! hurray

And leave your pistol in the car, fellas. smile


rotflmao Silly Texans.

What do you silly yankees do with your pistols??? think


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Originally Posted by chrisner
It�s interesting how many men react to their wife�s adultery with such trepidation and fear. They simple don�t understand the dire emergency and threat adultery is to their marriage. It�s always about the fear of their wife. Fear of her anger. Fear of �pushing her further away�. Fear of losing their precious adultery stained marriage and perhaps if they do nothing it will all go away and maybe they won�t even get a disease.

In other critical situations most men will act quickly and decisively. A sort of intuitive understanding to �assault the ambush� mentality. Don�t hide behind a stump until they pick you off. Charge! Hey, they might get you anyway but at least you have a chance. Right?

For example you are up in Alaska and suddenly are confronted by a Kodiak bear. And he�s hungry. This also qualifies as a dire emergency and threat.

Fortunately you are carrying a .300 ultra magnum caliber Remington Model 700 BDL rifle with a 26 inch barrel and gloss walnut grips and your collection of trophies from NRA competitions in you den back home indicate you know how to use it.

The 1,400 lb. bear wipes away his drool and charges.

What-ya gonna do Bubba? Negotiate? Hide behind a stump? Not likely.

But when your 125 lb. adulterous wife tells you �If you (fill in the blank with an action that stands up to her adultery), I am going to stomp my feet and put on a super pout!�, you assume your fetal position on the floor of the guest room.

�You�re right honey. I�m sorry. I just don�t want to push you further away. I�ll be in the guest room if you need me for anything as soon as I'm done arranging the flowers I bought you.�

I don�t know guys. This gets embarrassing sometimes.

Where has all the testosterone gone?

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Originally Posted by Mark1952
Your wife is boinking another man and wants to leave you because of it. How much worse do you think you can make it?

Exactly!


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Originally Posted by Mark1952
Where's that post on "It's the fear" when I need it?

By star*fish on 03-29-2006:

"It is the fear that paralyzes you, sends blood rushing through your veins, sours your stomach, and interupts your sleep. It is the fear that gives away your power, your hope, and your forgiveness. It is fear that robs you of the active self and traps you in the role of patronizing enabler who will take them back at ANY cost...even if the price is too high. It is fear that keeps you from confronting and exposing. And fear that prevents you from enforcing your boundaries and having compassion for yourself.

Fear of abandonment.
Fear of rejection.
Fear of reaction....yours, theirs.
Fear of future...the unknown.
Fear of destitution and want.
Fear of failure.
Fear of losing.
Fear of loss.
Fear of solitude.
Fear of settling.
Fear of change.
Fear of lack of change.
Fear
Fear

Infidelity creates FEAR....and fear is crippling. Research shows us what we already know in our hearts....when we are fearful....we are unable to fire up the parts of our brains that "process" information on a logical, rational, spirtual level and create solutions that increase the odds for success in crises. When we are fearful....we don't use our neocortex....but instead, it is our limpic system which lights up our MRIs....our animal brains wired for "fight or flight".

There is no HOPE in our animal brains....because our indentity, our souls, our compassion....don't reside there. You are only capable of conflict or escape when you are there....so you must find a quiet place to deal with your fears so that you can confront, expose, do all the things that overcoming infidelity entails....all the things that happiness entails. You must value yourself as well as protect yourself, without fear of losing your WS or enforcing boundaries.....because if you don't....all your fears will be realized anyway.

MB is not designed to trap you in a marriage where your feelings are crushed and disrespected or the vows of marriage are meaningless. It's designed to help you overcome fear and give you hope that marriages CAN recover from infidelity....but you must be brave and be willing to risk losing your WS in order to regain trust, fidelity, security.

You must be willing to see beyond your pain and take logical and systematic steps to undermine the affair and increase the stability and security of your marriage. That takes courage above pain. It takes the peacefulness of knowing you are strong enough to lose a self indulgent and unrepentant spouse or recover with a flawed, but motivated one.

Don't let your fear take back a spouse who isn't ready to do the hard work recovery after infidelity entails. It is an invitation for misery.

If you don't believe you CAN survive without your WS....you cannot do what you must do to ensure success.

Stop being fearful of their threats...they are just excuses to leave or be selfish.

Stop being fearful of their reactions....their reactions arise from their guilt...not your boundaries.

Stop being fearful of taking a stand....it's the only way to gain respect or trust.

Stop being fearful of being alone.....until you can stand on your own and risk losing them, you will NEVER know if they remain with you by choice. And you will never know if you want them or you NEED them.

And if you need them....even if they return....you are in trouble chere."




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Originally Posted by MelodyLane
I call it opening up a can of Texas Whoop [censored]!! hurray

And leave your pistol in the car, fellas. smile

There�s no room for cheese eating surrender monkeys here!



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