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from her:

[censored] is about to go to a highly un repairable state and trust me when I say I do not give a [censored] any more... I have been nice but I'm beyond over it... She started it and if I have to I will finish it... Good bye!

from her best friend:
Thanks, *** is hurting enough she doesn't need anymore of this...between you and I and his been a terrible year for her and I just want to make sure she makes it through this
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Just a heads up one of ***s friends just got the message that your wife sent an hour again. So she hasn't stopped and rachel is very upset. She told me she wants you to be a man and step up or she will deal with sascha herself. She is unstable and can only take so much.
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What OW just told me

**edit**... She needs to sent out some [censored] retraction... It was sent a hour ago...And if its her [censored] friends she needs to stop them because the only person I'm going after is her

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it looks like her sent her a message earlier today. he says he told her to stop messaging him...but its deleted...the tme stamp is off so i cant tell when.

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Don't you go shaking - she sent this because SHE is shaking. You told the truth, and she's running for cover like a cockroach.

Just delete it and go on with your evening. Yes, kiss and hug and be affectionate with your WH. (Sex, should it occur, NEEDS to be with protection until he passes an STD test.)

Have him come over tomorrow and work on the list there if he wants. If he's a good boy and gets it all done, maybe he can spend the night. smile

Just a little word about false recoveries. They are very, very common, and do not necessarily mean that your M won't R. So if at some point you do discover renewed contact, don't panic. Come on here and we'll walk you through dealing with it, ok?

As you can tell from my story, even a WH who is initially serious can be led astray pretty easily. The more precautions you put in place right at the beginning, the better your chances of avoiding this common pitfall.


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Also, if the email and FB accounts don't delete immediately, go into them and change the password yourself, to something only you know. Then try again to delete them.


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Ok spyware on
Laptop installed in the nick of time before he walked in *phew*

I dunno how to get his phone...I guess just say I want to
Hold it until we go to Verizon to change his #? will changing his # remove the spyware?

I had his affair email pw and he changed it I dunno when. He gave it to me right now and that's where I got the threats. I'm
Shaaaaking still. Ugh. So much for eating.

Can the spyware get removed by him? I guess I'll know.

Sex has to be protected bc I stopped bc o.O . Ugh we both just redid STD tests like 3 weeks ago >.< more blood


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Originally Posted by confusedandtorn
Ok spyware on
Laptop installed in the nick of time before he walked in *phew*

Good girl!!

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I dunno how to get his phone...I guess just say I want to
Hold it until we go to Verizon to change his #? will changing his # remove the spyware?

I would take the phone and then put the spyware on his NEW phone. [without his knowledge, of course]

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Can the spyware get removed by him? I guess I'll know.

Yep! You will know pretty fast. And that should be a dealbreaker.

You are doing great!! You have this affair almost completely killed.


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SHE'S the one who's shaking, confused.

Don't let this throw you for a minute! How DARE that nasty piece of trash cop an attitude because she got caught screwing around with another man's wife!

You've nailed her hard, and she's responding exactly like a good little tramp who wants to be taken seriously would. Ignore her, but keep an eye on her. Your next move is a restraining order against her. Her next move is...nothing.


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Originally Posted by confusedandtorn
The guy friend said between you and me it's been a rough year and I just want her to make it through this. He says she's unstable and can't take much more
I would consider it an act of Christian kindness if you were to inform this 'guy friend' that skankho OW would heal much faster from her instability if she were to stop screwing around with a married man. Who has children! A family who has NO ROOM for her in their life.

Tell this 'guy friend' that she'll be much happier once she stops trying to destroy a family.


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I need to get him a new phone? I was just going to change the number. If I install tonight, and change his # tomorrow, will
The spyware uninstall


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I misunderstood and thought you were getting him another phone. It seems like the spyware would work regardless of the # as long as it is the same phone.


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No it will not unless you flash the phone itself. Changing the # is good as it prevents OW from calling him, however, it will not prevent him from contacting her if that were to be an issue, which from how it sounds wouldn't be.

I do want to let you know that I have been following your thread since you started it and you have shown great resolve and have definately come along very quickly. I hope for you that you have a successful R with you WH.


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Im gonna tell my work tomorrow I'm being threatened in case she pulls crud


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Thank you <3

So I can install tonight and it will stay on?


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Does skanky know that you exposed her at her job yet?


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Yes, so long as you DO NOT flash(erase) the phone's memory after you have the number changed, the activation of the new # will not affect the memory unless you have Verizon flash the memory. If you go to a Verizon store, make sure u request that the memory not be flashed. I would say it would be a good idea to do this w/o WH there as it may raise his suspicion.


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Ok I'll do that.

No I don't think she does I'm kinda worried.


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Just FYI, my husband and skank broke up and got back together several times during the affair. Don't let it discourage you. It will fizzle....


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Originally Posted by confusedandtorn
I have some questions. Over the course of the last 2 years, my husband has perpetually bothered me for sex. he will ask and ask and keep asking until I give in. It got better after the affair because I stood my ground. Now, by no means do I deprive him. At least 2 times a week we do it voluntarily. But the man constantly bombards me with his penis, pressing it into me, groping me, etc. This is part of the reason he feels he has an additicion, he feels that his thoughts and feelings of sex overrun his mind and its all he can think about. He told his brother that even when I was crying on his shoulder, he was getting aroused.

Last weekend, a few days before FR, we where home sick. We where in the kitchen and he began pressing against me, he hoisted me up onto the counter and started making out w me and pushing on me,. He tried to pull down my pants, I said no honey I dont feel good...he kept telling me to bad. Not in a way where hes like "to bad I am going to restrain you' but almost in a way HE thinks is playful. I kept saying no and he picked me up and took me to the couch. He took off my pants and I kept saying babe, common! Im sick. And he put it inside of me. I got angry and pushed back a little and rolled my eyes. he stopped and said sorry. I put on my pants and he said sorry. Do I think this is ok? NO. Am I sure its rape? No not really.

My friend cares for me very much and has been looking at this site, the articles and agrees the advice is good and it probably works in "normal" cases. She asked me "what advice do they give out in response to spousal rape" and "are there people on that site who have had a problem like that and how did they deal with it?" "do they still encourage you to rebuild in an abusive relationship?".

I know this has been emotional abuse and maybe even sexual battering. I am not sure I am comfortable with "rape". I am not fearful that he would hit me or hurt me. I was in a physically abusive relationship before and I walked away. With 3 cracked ribs, but I was a kid. (17). I know physical abuse. However, I do have a hard time admitting something horrible has happened to me. I was molested several years ago by a 40 year old man when I was 17. My WH (who was not my boyfriend yet) was in the room but passed out drunk on the other side. I woke up being touched below by this man. I froze but eventually got up, and moved to the other side of the room. I never have considered that "rape" althoguh my therapist tells me otherwise. So maybe I am skewed. anyway. I wanted to put that info out there.

Everyone is different and everyone copes with experiences differently.
Some people would like you to define your experience as rape, so that you may see the importance and bearing of it, while others will encourage you to not call it that and or to brush it off.

Technically, rape can be perfectly defined, you can find those definitions on the internet and in the law.
Luckily, we are far removed from the days, where men where allowed to do with their wives as they may, including forcing sex on them or beating them.

On the other hand, we must admit, that no two people are alike and no two situations are alike. For many women there is a huge difference between being raped at knifepoint by a stranger who jumps out of the bush, or being more or less playfully coerced by their husband, or being forced to have sex by their husband who treats them like dirt, and so on. While for others, all of these situations, have the same bearing. With this, I do not want to say, it should be condoned, in any way, shape or form, to force someone to have sex with you. What I do want to say is, that you should be aware what happened, think it over for yourself, and determine what the meaning of that is for you and only for you.

We should beware to try to push our feelings onto others. Only you can live your life and only you can determine how best to cope with the situations you will experience. Some people cope by brushing things of, some will need professional treatment, some will not attach much emotion to it and make it something that just happened once. As long as you are honest to yourself, all strategies are legitimate. You will have to make that decision for yourself. Your therapist does not live your life. She had some 'therapist education' I'm sure, but who knows in what subjects she got a C? And we are only beginning to see scientific evidence for what the best strategy is to help people cope with things, and even then, what is good for 80% of people may not be good for the other 20%.

If you felt assaulted and grossed out when you were 17, you don't have to define it as rape, just because others would like you to. They won't have to live your life. It is yours and you sound like you are perfectly able to think for yourself. You make your own decisions.
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As to your husband and his sex drive, I can somewhat relate to that, as I've always had a high sex drive and wanting it more than one time a day and getting it 2 times a week can make you feel really frustrated. (In my case, it does feel somewhat like hunger - not easy to ignore a goodlooking pastry when you feel you're starving on a diet with too little calories.) The problem with your husband is not primarily his sex drive, but that he will let you feel bad, so that he can feel good. Dr. Harley wrote a nice article on that. The two of you can most certainly find many creative solutions so that both of you can be happy. But the solution cannot be, that he forces himself on you, without any kind of emotional connection, nice words, feeling loved. And then do with you as he pleases for a few minutes to get his high. What's in it for you? No foreplay, no affection, probably goes about his business right away, once he is done. That's enough to make anyone's appetite for SF to go away. (Would do it for me, I would then be Mrs. once-a-month probably ;-)

Once you start to recover, you will get to the meeting of emotional needs part. In that way, you get to address how you would like this need to be met, because I bet although you get more SF than you want, your need is not met in a way you are happy with. When you start meeting each others EN's and sharing UA and have fallen back in love, this need should be met better for BOTH of you.

Oh and PLEASE lose that marriage counselor. How is any woman going to feel better by looking at girls having xxx who look as if they spend all day in the gym and all summer getting boob jobs and have a team of make-up artists, hair dressers and lighting experts to make them look better thant best? Can I have a lighting expert in my own bedroom too? And a hair stylist, to do my hair between positions??? And a make-up artist to cover the zit on my but and to bleach my (certain body parts that should not be bleached)... Come on. You don't want to pale in comparison, do you? She can go make a movie herself if she thinks it's such a good idea.

Also, your husband seems to have picked up some bad habits anyway, which will be reinforced if he sees porn queen wanting it anywhere, everywhere, anytime with everyone. Not a very healthy notion for someone who just slithered past divorce for not being able to control himself in the real world. You can spend the MC money better.

Sorry this is such a long post, but I had to get that off my chest

You are doing great so far! Keep it up.

God bless Happyheart.


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Thank you happyheart. I did lose that counselor a few months ago.searching for a new one. I have a personal therapist as does he (as of yesterday).

Update: no spyware install on his phone bc he talked about looking at new phones when we change his #. I sure hope he gets a droid bc that's the program I bought. Also because her threats are vague, I am going to let my work know I'm being threatened, so in case she tries to allege anything (I'm thinking eye for an eye if her work confronts her. I also am going to print what I have and take it to the sherriffs. Just in case and because I want something on file if she tries anything weird. Wh thinks I'm not in danger but he said "you'll be fine as long as you stop. She is unstable". My only concern is that she said "if it's her friends she better stop them bc the only person I'm going after is her"... Ow alleges she was harassed on her phone 10/10-3/11 and finally blocked her #, also that she got a Xmas card w explicit insults at work. When she told mr this, I had no idea. None of MY friends are admitting to this. I've told them all to leave it alone as I have a plan and that I cannot discuss anything about her, even in jest.


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I have enough to get anything from the cops?


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Great post HH, spot on IMO.

The police? Without more threats or a prevuios record of hers I would guess no.

But bringing your concerns to the sheriff is still a good idea.

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