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Thank you so much Tom, I really appreciate your encouragement. I'm runnning a marathon here with no sure result so I need all the support i can get. ***EDIT***


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Originally Posted by BlackViolet
No, at the moment the only precaution i have taken is having OM's email address/s and phone numbers/fb blocked. I can't change my work number but have it set to screen calls - i never just pick up the phone at work now.

I had suspended my FB a/c for a time at the start of the year. I want to do this but it's actually one of the biggest ways that my H and I keep in contact being as we now live in seperate cities. I didn't want to give up the opportunity to be able to talk to him when he's online... but i guess i need to scarifice that to show change.

I guess i'm 'dragging my heels' on changing my personal cell and email because i haven't had any contact from OM for almost a month - so i guess have a sense of safety. But, as someone else pointed out to me, he could just email/phone me from a different number. So yes, this is something i need to get onto asap.

I am going to be very blunt with you.

I am very very wary of F?WSs who don't back up the talk with action. These are very basic precautions that should have been implemented without us having to nag you or your H having to ask you.

Additionally, you were not being straightforward in answering Mrs Recon's question regarding EPs. It actually set off a red flag for me the way that you answered... I'm not impressed, BV. Not at all.


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BV,

Why have you taken so long to write the NC letter?

Why haven't you changed all your contact information closed FB?

You're being called to the carpet.

Words do not equal actions.


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Occasionally reading this thread (though I shouldn�t).
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Would it not be the compassionate thing for this adulteress to just leave the BH alone?
The ink's not dry on the divorce decree, Aphelion. Why are you hastening the death of a marriage that a wayward is desperately trying to save?
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Yet this thread reads like everyone desires him to be tricked or otherwise manipulated into reconciling. Yet again!
Are you saying Dr. Harley's methods for recovering marriages are tricks? Manipulations? HUH. cool
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This BH not only has the right to D he has stated his strong desire to do so.
And yet, there is no divorce action initiated.... think

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Shall I quote Dr H on the matter?
Yes, please do so in case I've missed something. The wayward wants to recover the marriage. The betrayed spouse says he doesn't. And yet he does nothing to end the relationship. He doesn't sound committed to ending the marriage. Please quote Dr. H on this.

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Originally Posted by SusieQ
Originally Posted by BlackViolet
No, at the moment the only precaution i have taken is having OM's email address/s and phone numbers/fb blocked. I can't change my work number but have it set to screen calls - i never just pick up the phone at work now.

I had suspended my FB a/c for a time at the start of the year. I want to do this but it's actually one of the biggest ways that my H and I keep in contact being as we now live in seperate cities. I didn't want to give up the opportunity to be able to talk to him when he's online... but i guess i need to scarifice that to show change.

I guess i'm 'dragging my heels' on changing my personal cell and email because i haven't had any contact from OM for almost a month - so i guess have a sense of safety. But, as someone else pointed out to me, he could just email/phone me from a different number. So yes, this is something i need to get onto asap.

I am going to be very blunt with you.

I am very very wary of F?WSs who don't back up the talk with action. These are very basic precautions that should have been implemented without us having to nag you or your H having to ask you.

Additionally, you were not being straightforward in answering Mrs Recon's question regarding EPs. It actually set off a red flag for me the way that you answered... I'm not impressed, BV. Not at all.

Apologies SusieQ & others who have pulled me up on this. I'm pretty ashamed of my inaction here.

I've been sitting here thinking of how to respond, and my excuses. But there's really not excuse. They are pretty simple actions and i need to just get them done, regardless of whether there's a perceived threat from OM or not.

Do you think I should shut my FB even though it's one of the ways my H and I interact atm?

I will be buying a new sim card(new #) on the way home tonight and when i get home i will open a new gmail account.

I will report in tomorrow as to whether i've done these or not.

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Originally Posted by BrainHurts
BV,

Why have you taken so long to write the NC letter?

Why haven't you changed all your contact information closed FB?

You're being called to the carpet.

Words do not equal actions.

The NC letter... I guess because it's been 6 months since the seperation from my H and a couple of months since of seen the OM i didn't want to do this because I think my H's response will be 'i don't really care anymore'. And for me, the thought of actually having to send something to OM (pause for vomit face) feels like that breaks the NC time i've already racked up here!!!

But i will do it. I will print and send to my H today in the post with an envelope for him to send on if he wishes.


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Actually i'm so p**sed off at myself for not doing it earlier i'm just going to take a break from work now and go get a new phone number! GRRR.


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The ink's not dry on the divorce decree, Aphelion. Why are you hastening the death of a marriage that a wayward is desperately trying to save?
To save the BH more agony. This thread has no compassion for him in it at all. It�s all about the adulteress. Obvious. Yes, this is her thread. But it talks and talks and talks about the BH as if he is a mere lab rat for the adulteress to experiment some more upon. This BH should be left alone, for his own future happiness.

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Are you saying Dr. Harley's methods for recovering marriages are tricks? Manipulations?
No. You are not nearly as good at magnification and reductio ad absurdum as you think you are.

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And yet, there is no divorce action initiated.... ?
Actually, he has already done as much as he can to divorce. He left the marital home with his daughter, and he has stated more than once he wants one. He has told the adulteress they are �separated,� which is as much as he can legally do now. See below.

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The betrayed spouse says he doesn't. And yet he does nothing to end the relationship. He doesn't sound committed to ending the marriage.
You haven�t read this thread, or my specific post, very closely have you? The only reason given for no quick divorce is, and I quote for you, so you cannot continue to ignore the facts, �This BH not only has the right to D he has stated his strong desire to do so. He is only forced, trapped actually, into waiting 18 months by some medieval socialistic D law.� Let me know if you need this explained. I have a good friend who is an NZ solicitor.

Where in MB theory is ok to advise a WS to essentially stalk a BS? In particular, a BS who has fully left, separated and clearly stated he does not want to recover.


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The ink's not dry on the divorce decree, Aphelion. Why are you hastening the death of a marriage that a wayward is desperately trying to save?
To save the BH more agony. This thread has no compassion for him in it at all. It�s all about the adulteress. Obvious. Yes, this is her thread. But it talks and talks and talks about the BH as if he is a mere lab rat for the adulteress to experiment some more upon. This BH should be left alone, for his own future happiness.

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Are you saying Dr. Harley's methods for recovering marriages are tricks? Manipulations?
No. You are not nearly as good at magnification and reductio ad absurdum as you think you are.

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And yet, there is no divorce action initiated.... ?
Actually, he has already done as much as he can to divorce. He left the marital home with his daughter, and he has stated more than once he wants one. He has told the adulteress they are �separated,� which is as much as he can legally do now. See below.

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The betrayed spouse says he doesn't. And yet he does nothing to end the relationship. He doesn't sound committed to ending the marriage.
You haven�t read this thread, or my specific post, very closely have you? The only reason given for no quick divorce is, and I quote for you, so you cannot continue to ignore the facts, �This BH not only has the right to D he has stated his strong desire to do so. He is only forced, trapped actually, into waiting 18 months by some medieval socialistic D law.� Let me know if you need this explained. I have a good friend who is an NZ solicitor.

Where in MB theory is ok to advise a WS to essentially stalk a BS? In particular, a BS who has fully left, separated and clearly stated he does not want to recover.

Since i'm the one in the situation here I thought I might just chip in with what's ACTUALLY happened. My BS has never used the word divorce NOR has he displayed a strong desire to.


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With all the delays and equivocations and backtracking demonstrated over quite a while now by this adulteress, I don�t think she is serious about her BH. Maybe she is just playing some sort of a game for eventual child custody. Adulterers in general do this sort of thing all the time. Including mine.


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Thanks for your support MaritalBliss. I was just deciding whether or not to reply to this this post, but honestly my time/effort is not going to go into 'fighting' with someone like this. At least we know the source of the bitterness.

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Do you think I should shut my FB even though it's one of the ways my H and I interact atm?
If you ever had any contact with OM on FB, shut down your Facebook account and tell your husband to contact you through email.


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But it talks and talks and talks about the BH as if he is a mere lab rat for the adulteress to experiment some more upon.
Oh, baloney. Totally wrong, and glaringly exposes your bias. Read the whole thread for complete context, Aphelion. Sheesh.
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Actually, he has already done as much as he can to divorce. He left the marital home with his daughter, and he has stated more than once he wants one. He has told the adulteress they are �separated,� which is as much as he can legally do now. See below.
They are not divorced, Aphelion. They are married. Hope remains from a very committed poster who wants to recover her marriage. That should be our goal for her. What is your goal for her? Her husband has not filed for divorce and has made no indication that he plans to do so.

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The only reason given for no quick divorce is, and I quote for you, so you cannot continue to ignore the facts, �This BH not only has the right to D he has stated his strong desire to do so. He is only forced, trapped actually, into waiting 18 months by some medieval socialistic D law.� Let me know if you need this explained. I have a good friend who is an NZ solicitor.
Have you read something from this poster to acknowledge that her H ready to divorce? Until you have, you are OUT OF LINE and are not contributing to the recovery of this marriage.



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Thanks Maritalbliss. FB is such a timewaster anyway.

I'm quite excited! Just figured out how to change my cell number online... all done!

Drafting a new letter to my H now that stipulates my EP's and will have the NC letter/envelope enclosed.


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Since i'm the one in the situation here I thought I might just chip in with what's ACTUALLY happened. My BS has never used the word divorce NOR has he displayed a strong desire to.
Re-posting this for Aphelion.


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BV, reposting this to your consideration. Could you just please use a different colour and put a yes/no behind my questions.


Originally Posted by BlackViolet
Originally Posted by Mrs_Recon6mo
Do not wait for weeks! NC letter would be the next thing. Along with the letter send him the list of passwords to all of your accounts you are using online. Have you deleted your FB account?

Read this. Thread of Extraordinary Precautions

There are 2 categories of EPs. The first one has to be done before the second one. This is one-time list and makes sure you will not have any more opportunities to revive your affair. NC letter, providing him the access to all accounts, etc is the first category thing. This takes maybe 1-2 days, not weeks. Remember - this has to be done first! Given thread gives you examples, you also have to think very carefully what were the things that made your affair possible and plug those holes forever.

The second category is the plan for your new lifestyle. This is for life. And you cannot offer that kind of CARE when your first category has holes in it.

I'm not that sure about those "baby steps". I understand you would not want to pressure your BH, coming back to you would be his own decision to make. But he would want to SEE what he is coming back TO. Now, if you are taking weeks to complete your emergency package, I would think twice if I were him. If something that has to be done immediately would take weeks from your part, then I don't know - you may never become a safe woman to anyone.

I will help you here a bit.

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A) Change cell phone number and give password & account access to your spouse. Have you done it? I'm sure you used the same cell phone number communicating with OP. I was very reluctant to change my number and it caused a great deal of unnecessary stress to my H. Once I did it I gave my new number to people with the orders not to spread the number to anyone without my knowledge.
B) Change email account.Same question. And give him an access to it.
C) Eliminate all social networking accounts (i.e., Face book, Classmates, My Space, etc.)Same question. Do not watch what your H is doing or not. Delete them all!
D) Take a polygraphMake an appointment, pay for it yourself and offer him to come along. He can ask whatever he has to.
E) Make a copy of my vehicle keys and any other keys my spouse does not have and give to them (i.e., safe deposit boxes, business keys, storage cabinets/lockers, etc.)If you have any personal keys, make copies and send them to him.
F) List out passwords for all business and personal computer logins, and any other passwords my spouse does not have access to.Have you done it?
G) Give my spouse access to any banking/financial accounts, business and personal.Have you done it?
H) Install software that tracks all internet use, giving my spouse administrative access.Same question.
I) Install a webcam/security cameras for while at work that my spouse can access.And to your apartment. Have you done it?
J) I will contact an attorney that will work on my spouse�s behalf and write a post-nuptial agreement. Have you started the process?
K) Sell the house/purchase a new one.In your case - sell the place and move closer to your BH. Have you started the process?
L) Sell any vehicle AP was in and replace them.If that was the case, do it.

It is not time to think what your BH would think or do, this is the list you have to complete alone. So you will just do it and report the list to him just like that.

Yep, I think/know you are right. It's stupid to wait weeks. I have a NC letter ready (see earlier in my thread) and will post it to my husband tomorrow along with a list of EPs. I will look at this thread and re-look at my EP's today.


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What makes me worried is that you don't see that threats are all around you and you don't see yourself as a threat to other people. Do you really think that this particular OM is now a non-threat? Or that since you've decided to fight for your marriage you are also a non-threat to other married people?

Let me explain.

1. this particular OM is connected to other people you know and information can easily go back and forth and without you knowing it you already think about him. It is not physical contact, which would be a dealbreaker here, but you have to realise that there is a mental contact as well, and THAT doesn't help you a bit but causes you to drag your feet, like you've done so far. It boils down to the fact that you have to stop socialising with people who might have a slightest connection to him. You have to plug those holes from where you might get a tiniest bit of information about him. When you communicated with him through FB and are using it still (it doesn't matter that your reason is to use it only to communicate with your H), you need to shut it down for life.

2. being in the situation you are right now, you are vulnerable to yet another affairs. You are also a remaining threat to other married women and their families. Only your taken actions - extraordinary precautions will make you safe. So, EPs are important and the sequence of steps is also important.


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