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I took it as 2 years of separation. For WHs it's different, he recommends them to make sure to live together.

Were you able to listen? The WW had been separated for 5 months since her BH moved out. So Dr. H said to give it 2 years, but that the BH needs to make a decision to stay in the M or not.


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Originally Posted by BlackViolet
Originally Posted by fifteenyears
BV,

NG gave me some very similar advice only a few months ago. His "no expectations" with a "strategy" is the perfect thing to keep telling yourself to keep you going on a plan for your marriage recovery.

What I keep telling myself is there is a fine line between making up for what you did and being stomped on. However, is my H expecting SF really being stomped on? No! My H told me that SF is his security blanket. Because he could not completely trust me, having SF brings him comfort. This was enough for me to put on my big girl pants and be happy that he was even touching me after the pain I put him through.

I however am not going to pull out my saint card. I have really struggled with feeling angry and frustrated with my situation. I have wanted to hurry my H along and have things back to normal. Then I do a reality check and realize that I am still cleaning up my mess.

I like to think of it as shattered glass. There are A LOT of pieces and months later you keep finding more that you need to pick up.

NG, has also described it as a roller coaster ride and this is so true. Since mothers day my H went from wanting to leave to giving us another try and actually letting me back in.

He went from only showing affection during SF to actually showing affection all of the time.

The only issue that still bothers me to no end is the fact that his parents have refused to see me since D day. His mother has been very cruel as well.

I have been on the forum several times upset about this issue and have gotten a number of great responses. But the best response I got was from my H when I was honest with him about how much it hurt me to not be included in family events.

His response to me was that up until recently, he was not sure that he even wanted to reconcile with me. The reason that he did not stand up for me against his parents was because he did not want to put everyone through reconciliation when he was not even 100 percent for it.

He told me that as he is coming around and actually seeing my actions and changes rather than me just stating them he is getting closer to telling his parents that they need to accept us no matter what. I asked him when he finally did this what he would do if they refused, he said he would tell them to screw off and anyone else who did not support us as well.

BV, this was not the response I wanted. My taker wanted him to tell his parents to screw off two months ago. But it made me realize that he was not ready for that and this is not just about me. So while I am not completely satisfied with this answer I know that it is necessary. Am I being a doormat? I don't think so. Am I being patient and telling myself that this is just another piece of glass from the mess that I made and it will be cleaned up? Yes, because I have to.

Thanks for sharing 15yrs.... it really helps to know someone else is going through similar things.

SF will definitely be a security blanket for my H as well as this is his top EN. I suppose the difficult thing is that its one of my lowest. But i guess it's really good for me to be learning to meet that need in a greater way than i have before, especially at this time.

So sorry to hear that your in laws have been unaccepting and cruel. That must be very difficult for you. Are they christians? I hope that over time they can see the change in you too. But... if they don't accept it then it will be important for your H to stand up for you no matter what.

Patience must be the hardest virtue to practice i think!


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No my inlaws are not Christians and they never truly recovered from their own affairs. I would love to show them this site....maybe someday.

Patience is definitely the hardest virtue for me especially since I am an impatient person by nature. I have had to teach myself to take deep breaths and slow down.

Something else that NG really pushed me on, and this goes right along with having a plan is doing something everyday to show your H how dedicated you are.

Like writing a note, a text, I made my spouse a safe list and encouraged him to make one for me. He is not much of a reader or a writer and still has not written out a list but he has verbally told me things that do and do not make him feel safe. I talk about MB and Dr. Hs books all of the time. I always have
the forum up in my internet and he actually takes my phone and reads post.


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Originally Posted by BrainHurts
I took it as 2 years of separation. For WHs it's different, he recommends them to make sure to live together.

Were you able to listen? The WW had been separated for 5 months since her BH moved out. So Dr. H said to give it 2 years, but that the BH needs to make a decision to stay in the M or not.

Yes i listened, thanks. Um why is it that he recommends different things when it's a WH? I don't remember him saying why... but maybe i missed that?


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Originally Posted by fifteenyears
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BV,

NG gave me some very similar advice only a few months ago. His "no expectations" with a "strategy" is the perfect thing to keep telling yourself to keep you going on a plan for your marriage recovery.

What I keep telling myself is there is a fine line between making up for what you did and being stomped on. However, is my H expecting SF really being stomped on? No! My H told me that SF is his security blanket. Because he could not completely trust me, having SF brings him comfort. This was enough for me to put on my big girl pants and be happy that he was even touching me after the pain I put him through.

I however am not going to pull out my saint card. I have really struggled with feeling angry and frustrated with my situation. I have wanted to hurry my H along and have things back to normal. Then I do a reality check and realize that I am still cleaning up my mess.

I like to think of it as shattered glass. There are A LOT of pieces and months later you keep finding more that you need to pick up.

NG, has also described it as a roller coaster ride and this is so true. Since mothers day my H went from wanting to leave to giving us another try and actually letting me back in.

He went from only showing affection during SF to actually showing affection all of the time.

The only issue that still bothers me to no end is the fact that his parents have refused to see me since D day. His mother has been very cruel as well.

I have been on the forum several times upset about this issue and have gotten a number of great responses. But the best response I got was from my H when I was honest with him about how much it hurt me to not be included in family events.

His response to me was that up until recently, he was not sure that he even wanted to reconcile with me. The reason that he did not stand up for me against his parents was because he did not want to put everyone through reconciliation when he was not even 100 percent for it.

He told me that as he is coming around and actually seeing my actions and changes rather than me just stating them he is getting closer to telling his parents that they need to accept us no matter what. I asked him when he finally did this what he would do if they refused, he said he would tell them to screw off and anyone else who did not support us as well.

BV, this was not the response I wanted. My taker wanted him to tell his parents to screw off two months ago. But it made me realize that he was not ready for that and this is not just about me. So while I am not completely satisfied with this answer I know that it is necessary. Am I being a doormat? I don't think so. Am I being patient and telling myself that this is just another piece of glass from the mess that I made and it will be cleaned up? Yes, because I have to.

Thanks for sharing 15yrs.... it really helps to know someone else is going through similar things.

SF will definitely be a security blanket for my H as well as this is his top EN. I suppose the difficult thing is that its one of my lowest. But i guess it's really good for me to be learning to meet that need in a greater way than i have before, especially at this time.

So sorry to hear that your in laws have been unaccepting and cruel. That must be very difficult for you. Are they christians? I hope that over time they can see the change in you too. But... if they don't accept it then it will be important for your H to stand up for you no matter what.

Patience must be the hardest virtue to practice i think!


BV,

No my inlaws are not Christians and they never truly recovered from their own affairs. I would love to show them this site....maybe someday.

Patience is definitely the hardest virtue for me especially since I am an impatient person by nature. I have had to teach myself to take deep breaths and slow down.

Something else that NG really pushed me on, and this goes right along with having a plan is doing something everyday to show your H how dedicated you are.

Like writing a note, a text, I made my spouse a safe list and encouraged him to make one for me. He is not much of a reader or a writer and still has not written out a list but he has verbally told me things that do and do not make him feel safe. I talk about MB and Dr. Hs books all of the time. I always have
the forum up in my internet and he actually takes my phone and reads post.

I like the idea of doing something everyday. Especially on the days when we are apart in different citys. It's coming up with the stuff to do though!


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don't make it harder than it is. the little things count!


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I agree with Letty. It can be as simple as " I am thinking about you" or a reminder of something that made you happy when you were together, past or present.


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Originally Posted by fifteenyears
I agree with Letty. It can be as simple as " I am thinking about you" or a reminder of something that made you happy when you were together, past or present.
As a man, I can agree with this completely. We don't care about the big things. Not one bit. It's always the little, subtle effort that grabs our attention. We may not visibly show or express our appreciation in words properly, but believe me, it's always recognized and filed away in that love bank.


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thanks guys... i needed that.

I have a tendancy to make things bigger than ben hur in every area of my life!!

I guess i have to look at what pleases me... and it's also the little things.



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One last time (for me) my friend:

What actions have you taken in the past week to bury your FBH in ENs? What is your plan for the upcoming week?

The 2012 model BV has a lot going for it. (The 2011 model having been recalled!)

Sell, sell, sell!

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Originally Posted by BlackViolet
Yes i listened, thanks. Um why is it that he recommends different things when it's a WH? I don't remember him saying why... but maybe i missed that?

Because men and women are different. Similar to why a BW is told to do 6 weeks of Plan A, where a BH can typically handle up to 6 months.

A WH will more often have a hat-in-hand apology for adultery, where a truly repentant and apologetic WW is rare.



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hey, bv, how's it goin? supposed to be crappy weather tomorrow, so you can stay inside by the fire and sf your hearts out! i hope it's going well. :O)


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Hey guys... been a week or so.

Going great. Just got back from long stint away again so it's been wonderful... had some quality time with BH last night.

I sent him an email last week saying i was really happy with the way things were going and that he made me really happy. I forwarded a link to this site just reminding him about it and saying that i would love to start going through some of the principles on here together as i really belive in it. Haven't had a reply... but that's kinda what he's like. He'll reply or mention it next time he's in the mood for a serious talk.

So things are good but i'm still concerned we aren't doing enough 'work' in terms of future affair proofing and basically making an amazing marriage. But i guess all that takes time and maybe i need to just be ok with all the SF and no talk!


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So glad to hear the positive update.

Keep the pace and enjoy. smile


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Thanks BrainHurts :-)


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Anything to report, BV?

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BV,

While you certainly need your husband's cooperation in creating an integrated and romantic marriage, it is you that will shore things up to protect your marriage from future infidelity on your part.

You can choose to live from this moment forward with integrity and conscience. Not because you are an unflawed individual, but because you know that you are flawed, and know the cost of turning a blind eye to those flaws.

A flaw does not have to be a weakness. In fact, a flaw can be a source of strength. Flaws are not a lack of integrity, they are the reason to uphold integrity.

You know you are capable of allowing your emotional needs to be met outside of your marriage, you can never again say "I would never..."

You can say "I know I would, and therefore chose not to, and deny any opportunity for this to happen."


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Hi guys... been awhile so quick update.

Didn't get a response from the email where i pointed him to this website... but he did mention he was investigated seeing a counsellor. I know counsellors get a lot of flak here but this is a good step for him as he needs help working through the pain so we can move forward. I see it as a positive step that he's willing to work through this.

I'm still struggling with not getting any of my EN met... and then feelling guilty for feeling that way. Vicious cycle. It was pretty bad on the weekend after attending a party together and being pretty much ignored all night. I understand it was a big step for him to even 'allow' me to go along (alot of mutual friends etc) and i didn't expect any PDA there but anything would have been better than nothing. He then proceeded to get drunk and turn up in a taxi 2 hours after I got home, annoyed that DD was in my bed stopping any SF. By sunday afternoon my mood was so low that i almost retracted an invite to dinner and told him he could hang out when he was ready to treat me with some respect.

I feel very alone, unloved and uncared for. Despite the continuing SF. I know we are in a much better place than 3 months ago and i should just be grateful...

Ugh!!



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Excellent thread started by Pep.

Tell us what you think. Using Resentment as Punishment


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Thanks BH. Am reading through it.

I feel like i'm giving and giving and getting nothing back atm. And i hate to say this (because i don't want to seem like i'm finding excuses for my A) but this 'giving without getting' was a big part of how we got to where we are.

It seems i'm in less of a position to ask for any EN to be met than before...


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I've made the point in His Needs, Her Needs: Building an Affair-proof Marriage that spouses usually have affairs because their emotional needs are not being met in the marriage. The way to affair-proof a marriage is for couples to meet each other's most important emotional needs. So whenever one spouse has an affair, the other should try to learn to meet the unmet needs that led to the affair.

Just re-reading Dr. Harley's stuff on Just Compensation to remind of everything i need to do and this catches my eye.

It's this bit that i'm really struggling with. Not that i'm tempted to have another affair, but i need him to start playing ball at some point!



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