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#733929 08/28/02 06:13 PM
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You might have guessed it...
...it's a followup to...
Nudism... and young children and Nudism & Kids... II!

I go to court this Friday (9:30 AM EDT) to request from the courts to:

1. not allow xW to take the kids to the nudist camp
2. stop practicing nudism in front of the kids...

and therefore...
...have been led to the point where I've been forced to ask for 'supervised' visitations.

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In her reply... to my initial filing... she admits to ...

...practicing nudism in front of my stepson (20 yo)... this includes the OM!
...practicing nudism in front of our daughter (10 yo)!
...(not yet admitted 'full nudism'... in front of our 13 yo son)!

She puts in her reply...
...that 'this' is her lifestyle... and by me filing my motion... I am making her change her lifestyle!... and I have no right to do so!

She not only doesn't deny her desires to have the kids with her when she's at the camp...
...but argues... point after point...
...how healthy... how it builds self-esteem.. how it builds confidence... and how the Catholic church not only condones... but approves of "social nudity".

She included a 26 page master's thesis who backs her up with some of the most bizare findings I ever seen. This was some strange thinking folks.

She made no response to the possible "dangers" at the camp... and no practical response to any 'moral' implications.

I spent 16+ hours just typing my response to her reply...
...and boat loads of time reading/researching...
...one of the reasons I haven't been around much...
...but by legal practice... only 10 (double space pages) of my 15 (single spaced) responses are allowed in my final reply. My attorney synthesized it as best he could.
I learned alot of my faith/moral interpretations by putting this down on paper.

My attorney says this should be a very simple case... with him presenting oral arguments. The judge has the option to ask us questions, but it is unlikely.

I'll be there (even though I don't have to be)!

I'm sure my xW will be there too. <img border="0" title="" alt="[Frown]" src="images/icons/frown.gif" />

In any cases... it will hurt the kids...
...since supervised visitation will be unpleasent... very unpleasent.

A prayer for me and my family, if you all could...
...and for my xW too!

Love to all.

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#733930 08/28/02 07:17 PM
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Best wishes in court, Jim.

You know, her life choice may be none of your business, but when the kids are involved, you bet your A$$ it is!

I'll be very curious to see how this all pans out, especially concerning your step son. I think it might be precident-setting if you *win* on his behalf.

(((((Jim)))))

#733931 08/28/02 07:26 PM
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I do the supervised visitation, and I know that it is just one more thing you don't need in your life. My trick is remembering that I am doing it because it's me or an unknown social worker.

It's all for the kids, it's all for the kids, it's all for the kids. I know it's the way you live your life, but as I sit there I repeat it over and over.... ad nausium...

I think of how much worse it would be to toss one more "extra" tangent into their lives - one more thing they can't control, and at least this one is in my hands. As soon as I volunteered to supervise - it was a done deal. Last thing they want is more caseload mess. Hopefully it will be the same in your case.

Think of it as enforced quiet reading time, or crossword puzzle heaven. Laptop? MB posting to your hearts content!

I know, the thought sometimes can make you gag, and you wish there was another option. If there had been no accident - or if she would put her head on straight... We wouldn't have to do this. But our hands are tied, and if supervised is the way you end up going then that is the way it will be.

Our visiting time seems to be doing more damage than good right now, and it looks like we might be in store for some changes.

The one thing that you can always count on to stay the same is change.

At least it's consistant.

Hugs,
E

#733932 08/28/02 07:30 PM
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Absolutely! I will pray for you and your family.
I wish you the best.
You have been such a voice of reason over the years.....

#733933 08/28/02 08:11 PM
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Dear Jim,

Looks like the fog has taken permanent residence in her brain. Not even for the sake of the children. How shameful.

U have my support.

Take care,
L.

#733934 08/29/02 10:46 AM
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Jim,

Keeping you and the family in my prayers...

Good luck!

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Jim,
I don't even know what to say, all I'm thinking is that she's crazy.

Best wishes to you.

#733936 08/29/02 02:48 PM
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Jim,

Sorry for the trouble you are facing. You and your kids are in my prayers.

Hang in!!!

Bob

#733937 08/29/02 05:08 PM
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Jim!
So sorry you have to go thru that, but you'll do the best like always.
Best wishes
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#733938 08/29/02 05:29 PM
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Hey Jim,

Hope you get this situation remedied. Man, what's next? Hanging out at strip joints [not that there is anything wrong with that]. Just not for kids.

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~Sheryl~,
E,
cleopatra,
Orchid,
K,
Lor,
Bob,
D,
Tim...

Thank you one and all.

Less than 12 hours until court time.

My xW even called the kids today, to tell them that they would be having their normal every-other-weekend visit... starting tomorrow.

Ignoring the fact...
...that the judge will be making her decision, on all visitations, tomorrow!

Another example of where she gets the kid's minds set for one thing...
...only to have them get disappointed!

Even though I feel that my case is soooooo strong...
...if the judge happens to rule against me...
...I will go for an appeal...
...and ask her to stay the vistitations until an appeal or hearing!

In no way will they go with her without the commitment of...
...no visiting the nudist camp
...no practicing nudism in front of the kids
...not allowing anyone else to practice nudism in front of them!

...I'm willing to take the consequences of being in contempt of court... on this!

Thanks again for the prayers...

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#733940 08/30/02 11:18 PM
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Jim/NSR - you and the children..are all in my prayers...

Best Wishes to you...

Let us know how you are doing and how it went.

Regards,

YR


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