Jayne and Telly, thanks for your concern. And Jayne, don't worry about me ending things. I don't have the guts. Plus, that would free Mrs. Hold to find another guy, who would then move in with her and D12 (13 on Saturday). That is the LAST thing I want. So unless God calls me before then, I can't do anything to myself until September 2015 at the earliest.

It has been 5 years since I "gave up" on our marriage. Only 5 years left until the kids are gone. I can handle that. Heck, it is 17.5 years of unhappy marriage and 12.5 since I started complaining seriously. Endure 5 more? Piece of cake.

Wow, just read what you wrote in vj's thread. So sorry to hear about all the negative events in your life recently. Please accept my sincere condolences.

When you can see it coming, duck!