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#1049771 01/11/03 04:27 PM
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My wh has been with ow this time since mid November with A going on since August 02. We had a 3 periods of false recovery which were all ruined primarilly by the ow not letting go,and making my h feel extreem guilt towards her followed by jealousy - she told him she was seeing someone else and taunted him with it. She also continued to bash me and our M, which played to his innermost fears about us. The ow is a former friend who knows me well and so her lies will have seemed all the more plausible. She has a young son of almost 4. My h does not like children - or at least has always said he doesnt.

Well, I started plan A in mid November when he left this time. His major gripes were a lack of sf for which I am guilty and the fact that I look him for granted (I let him take on most of the domestic responsibility), didnt make him feel good about himself and didnt respect him. He also thought - fueled by ow- that I didnt love him or care for him.

I had a A which was brief but painful for h 4 yrs ago. We never properly spoke about it, he didnt ask, I didnt offer. I probably let him take the blame for the A which was unfair - fog talk! He has always been concerned that it could happen again to which I would always say it wouldnt and I loved him. He said he stopped worrying about another A 2 mths before his started. He said an A of mine would have been a relief as he wanted out but didnt know how.

Anyway, enough background. About 2/3 wks into our seperation, h started text flirting, then we started talking which turned into heavy petting and then into full sf - this was all over the course of a few days. After the heavy petting started, h told ow he needed space and would stay at our home occasionally. (When he moved out he had said they would be taking things slowly and he would be staying some nights at home, but in reality, he only spent 1 night at home in this time.)

Over the last 4/5 weeks, h has spent more and more time with me and more nights at home. SF has been great! H lies to ow about his whereabouts all the time and denies spending time with me let alone sleeping with me. She is trying to be controlling of him but he lies to her and she doesnt know it. She is lbing, but he rationalises her actions with either being jealous of me or upset with her mum or son - it is never her fault even though she has a very fiery volatile personality. H is conflict avoider btw. We have now started a new hobby together that means we will be spending even more time together and may well go on a short break to enhance this hobby in the next month or so.

I live in our home and look after it, doing the cleaning washing etc - basically all the work h used to do plus the work I used to do. H does v little althgough he does offer to help cook when he is round for food - rare as we tend to eat out a lot! I have also started to look after my appearance more and bought lots of new clothes - all commented on by h. When we go out, most of the time it is great, I have my h back, other times he is v withdrawn and it takes a lot of work to get conversations going. H runs a shop from ho,me and I assist with the books and help in the shop when I am around - mainly w/ends as I work. I am the major income source.

I know my h is a big time cakeeater. He is naturally indecisive and is vv depressed re his business. He has major staff issues and doesnt kjnow whether he wants to own the shop anymore. He is having a life crisis and his A is a symptom of that. I do not know if ow realises what h is going through at the moment or how sad and depressed he really is. I feel he is an emotional wreck at the moment and badly needs help. I am trying to help him and seem to be doing a good plan A and he wants to spend time with me. However, whilst we have talked over the last few days of what life would be like if we got back together and why we shoiuld get back together, he does not seem at all intent on finishing his A. I have asked what she provides for him and what I do not provide. He does not answer, just hugs and kisses me.

Am I being too soft on him. I am toying with the idea of a 180 and withdrawing from him - has anyone in a similar situation tried this approach. Alternatively (but I am not convinced) would making him jealous of me moving on and seeing someone make him stop and think - I do not want an A, but friendly company would be nice - maybe???? Alternatively, I am considering plan B, but am convcerned that if I withdraw all support and leave h to fend for himslef that he may not cope as he is so sad and depressed at the moment.

Any thoughts much appreciated.

LH

#1049772 01/12/03 08:31 AM
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Dear Losing

It actually sounds like things are going very well for you....
Sounds like you are meeting more and more needs, he's spending more time with you, and starting a new hobby with you...GOOD JOB!!!

Remember that most affairs die their own natural death without the BS doing anything...
And it sounds like she is becoming more demanding and LBing without any help from you at all...

A big issue with the two of you is that both of you have blurred the lines of marriage, commitment and boundaries...

You can not move on with someone else based on the fact you are married regardless of his actions.
This is a recipe for disaster.
Becoming involved with someone else in the hopes of causing a reconciliation is illogical.
If you desire a true reconciliation and comittment to him you can not do the opposite.
Actions always speak louder and words and the message of desiring an exclusiveness with someone can not be shown by seeking out others for companionship...especially in this case where he is spending more time with you...AND starting a hobby with YOU....

There is very much your own self-worth and beliefs also very immeshed in this as well.
The using of a third party in hopes of winning someone else back lacks honesty, involves an innocent person who may find themselves interested in you and is conflict of your marital vows. Don't sell yourself short by using you and someone else in the hopes of winning back you spouse...It is a shallow victory at best and still smacks of disrepect to vows and committment.

Part of your plan A is showing through actions that what you have learned is that vows are not something to be taken lightly or toyed with.

Plan A is also about protecting yourself from gross disrespectful behaviors without LBING...

So there are things you can do that may be 180's that help empower you and assist in feeling in control of you...

MANDATORY DO'S WHEN DIVORCE BUSTING / MARRIAGE BUILDING
1. Be patient. Time is an asset even when it seems to be killing you.
2. Listen carefully to what your spouse is REALLY saying to you.
3. Learn quickly that anger is your enemy
4. Learn quickly to back off, shut up and walk away when you want to speak out.
5. Take care of yourself. Exercise, sleep, laugh, and focus on all the other chances in your life that are not in turmoil.
6. Be cool, strong, confident and speak softly.
7. Know that if you can do a 180, your smallest consistent actions will be noticed much more than ANY words you can say or write.
8. Read as much as you can on this subject

MANDATORY DON'T's WHEN DIVORCE BUSTING / MARRIAGE BUILDING
1. Do not be openly desperate or needy even when you are hurting more then ever in your whole life and are desperate and needy.
2. Do not focus on your self when communicating with your spouse.
3. Do not believe any of what you hear and less then 50% of what you see. Your spouse will speak in absolute negatives because they are hurting and they are scared.
4. Do not fall into the "green eggs and ham" trap. (See Dr. Seuss for clarity)
5. Do not give up no matter how dark it is or how bad you feel.
6. Do not backslide from your hard earned changes.
**Thanks spacecase!!**

I think you give plan A all you got..I think it is working for you...
I think if you pull back now and cut him off it will be more detrimental...he will retaliate with all kinds of ...now you know how I felt...you did it to me...etc.

Let her volitial personality shine on...while you hold grace and serenity and a safe place for him...
Do let your WS know that you are committed to the M.
Do let your WS know that you love them and care for them.
Do let your WS know your TRUE feelings...even if it 'hurts' them... remember, YOU are not responsible for your WS's feelings.
Do try to meet their most important ENs.
Do go to marriage counseling.
Do realize that there are issues that YOU are responsible for in creating a marriage climate where one spouse would want to have an A... (but remember, YOU did NOT cause/make them have the affair... the WS made that choice all by themselves... so don't beat yourself up and think that you "caused" the affair.)
Do work on the issues that YOU are responsible for in your M.

no big relationship talks..

Now if you need a break..nothing wrong with cutting contact for a day or two...just be busy...but not with someone else...

best of luck...Thanks to lots of people from whom I just pasted copied this valuable advice.
ARK


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