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I know husband had a serious affair six years ago, and I also know through snooping he has remained in some sort of communication with OW, perhaps off and on, maybe all on, for the last six years. He now says if I will forget and forgive he will remain true to me, but he doesn't want to be honest with me about what I am actually forgetting and forgiving. I know there is more to it than I know. Should I insist he tell me what I am forgiving and forgetting? I think so, especially in light of fact I obsess about OW and imagine all sorts of things. The truth, good or bad, may allow for closure. Any suggestions? Thanks. p-anne

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You can't forgive and forget if you don't have all the facts. You are entitled to all the facts so you can make a decision about YOUR LIFE. And unless you know the entire truth, there will be NO RECOVERY. It is beyond cruel for him to withhold the facts ABOUT YOUR LIFE. You will never move forward without them, you will be held in a cruel limbo against your will. And unless you get this out in the open and address the REASONS behind it, it will happen again.

You need to know ALL THE FACTS in order to determine if you will stay with him and work this out. It is the LEAST he can do, in addition to sending the OW a no contact letter.

Here is what Harley says about it:
“From my perspective, honesty is part of the solution to infidelity, and so I'll take honesty for whatever reason, even if it's to relieve a feeling of guilt and depression. The revelation of an affair is very hard on an unsuspecting spouse, of course, but at the same time, it's the first step toward marital reconciliation.

Most unfaithful spouses know that their affair is one of the most heartless acts they could ever inflict on their spouse. So one of their reasons to be dishonest is to protect their spouse from emotional pain. "Why add insult to injury," they reason. "What I did was wrong, but why put my spouse through needless pain by revealing this thoughtless act?" As is the case with bank robbers and murderers, unfaithful spouses don't think they will ever be discovered, and so they don't expect their unfaithfulness to hurt their spouse.

But I am one of the very few that advocate the revelation of affairs at all costs, even when the wayward spouse has no feelings of guilt or depression to overcome. I believe that honesty is so essential to the success of marriage, that hiding past infidelity makes a marriage dishonest, preventing emotional closeness and intimacy.

It isn't honesty that causes the pain, it's the affair. Honesty is simply revealing truth to the victim. Those who advocate dishonesty regarding infidelity assume that the truth will cause such irreparable harm, that it's in the best interest of a victimized spouse to go through life with the illusion of fidelity.

It's patronizing to think that a spouse cannot bear to hear the truth. Anyone who assumes that their spouse cannot handle truth is being incredibly disrespectful, manipulative and in the final analysis, dangerous. How little you must think of your spouse when you try to protect him or her from the truth.

It's not only patronizing, but it's also false to assume that your spouse cannot bear to hear the truth. Illusions do not make us happy, they cause us to wander through life, bumping into barriers that are invisible to us because of the illusion that is created. Truth, on the other hand, reveals those barriers, and sheds light on them so that we can see well enough to overcome them. The unsuspecting spouse of an unfaithful husband or wife wonders why their marriage is not more fulfilling and more intimate. Knowledge of an affair would make it clear why all efforts have failed.

After revealing an affair, your spouse will no longer trust you. But lack of trust does not ruin a marriage, it's the lack of care and protection that ruins marriages. Your spouse should not trust you, and the sooner your spouse realizes it, the better.

The Policy of Radical Honesty is one of two rules you must follow to protect your spouse from your self-centered behavior, which includes affairs. The other rule is the Policy of Joint Agreement (never do anything without an enthusiastic agreement between you and your spouse). If you were to be completely honest with you spouse, and you were to follow the Policy of Joint Agreement, an affair would be impossible, unless for some reason your spouse wanted you to have one.

If you knew that your affair would be discovered -- that right after having sex with your co-worker, your spouse were to find out about it -- you would probably not go through with it. And if you were honest enough with your spouse so that YOU would be the one to tell him or her what you did, your honesty would be a huge reason to avoid any affair.

How the victimized spouse should respond to the revelation of an affair is a subject of a later column. I do not have the space to treat it here. But a spouse is twice victimized when he or she is lied to about an affair. Truth is far easier to handle than lies.”

<small>[ March 09, 2003, 04:39 PM: Message edited by: MelodyLane ]</small>

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I agree with Melody.... How can you forgive when you don't know what you are forgiving?

Sounds like your H just wants you to act like nothing ever happened... and doesn't want to do the hard work thats required to rebuild your M.

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I agree with the above statements. I also wanted to add a little of my own also.......

Its just not knowing what to forgive, but what not to think/wonder about what to forgive. When a person knows all the harsh facts of the affair, it allows the mind to slow down with all the things we think may have happened. I am sure many of us have sat there and thought this or thought that and wondered if this happened or if that happened.... it can be quite nerve wrecking. SO by finding out what to fogive, with your husband being honest, you will also notice your mental "wonderments" to simmer down and allow you to focus on what to forgive.

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I can understand how you feel, Being out there alone without answers can really eat you up mentally as only "they" have the answers and won't share them with you. I posted on Chardondeere March 9th and got 2 pages of info, maybe reading would help. Unfortunaltly the only people that can really help us are the spouses that are hurting us by not being honest with us. This will up you for more solutions and you could do same if want to post to me. Thanks, all the input does help but unfortunatly we hear things we don't like but probably the truth. I was under Why do men lie.


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