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#1137737 05/18/04 08:34 PM
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Hi, I'm pretty new here, but I did post in Plan A/Plan B" last week: http://www.marriagebuilders.com/forum/ultimatebb.php?ubb=get_topic;f=30;t=002427

An update...

Sunday, H agreed to come to lunch with me. He told me he had P relations w/OW the previous night "for the first time". He went into great detail, and I was heartbroken at first, and then a part of me felt good that he was being honest and open with me, as this was something missing from our marriage for a while. Then again, maybe he only told me to hurt me. Later on, he became very kind, affectionate, and loving towards me, even expressing a desire to be intimate. Although we had been intimate on and off (as he permitted) during our entire separation until he started seeing OW, I said NO!

We've been separated since Oct, and he filed for D in Feb, so he thinks this is NOT an A! He thinks "it's normal" and "what people do". Basically, he feels that he moved on, but did not have an affair and was not unfaithful to me. Of course, I see it differently. Without the acknowledgment of what he has done, he doesn't have remorse. He did say he is sorry that this has hurt me, but that he doesn't feel he did anything wrong. He said many times that he loves me and that I am the most amazing, wonderful woman he knows....but that he isn't in love with me.

I asked H to end the A, and he said no- not now. H asked me to allow him to have this relationship-for now- because it's what he needs to do for himself. He talked a lot about how wrong she was for him for anything long-term, and promised me it wouldn't last more than a year (on the far end), and said he would agree to NC whenever it was done and would be ready to work on our marriage. Sounded to me like he wanted to play both sides.

That afternoon, H spent hours at my house and we talked so openly like we hadn't in a very long time. It was terrific, and I felt like my best friend had come back. I shared my feelings and level of commitment to our marriage with him, and said that as long as he was going to continue to see OW, I wanted NC with him, but that I would like for him to tell me when it's over so we can work on saving our marriage.

On Sun night, he called me to tell me that he was upset because OW spent time (more than just "time") with her ex-fiance. He was jealous and told me he was going to end it. I was very loving and supportive, although coudn't understand why he was telling me these things. He said it was because I'm his best friend and the only one he wants to talk to. Later that night (at 2 am, actually), H called me and asked me to come over for sex. Again, I said no, and told him that I am not going to be THAT kind of person.

Yesterday, he hugged me when we saw each other, but no kissing. He said he was a little angry with me (I did LB a bit that day, so....)

Today, he says OW called him during the night and he told her it's over. I'm not sure I believe him. We met for lunch today, and no affection at all! However, he did act very nice and said he was glad to spend time with me. He also told me that he was sorry (repeatedly) for calling me last Sun night and asking for sex and that he appreciated me being there for him and taking the time to talk to him. H agreed to go to MC with me next week, and said that he wants our marriage to work "on some level". How can I know if it's really over? He won't let me ask more than once or get specific in my questions, because he gets very angry, saying I am interrogating him. He really doesn't have any remorse or understanding of my feelings.

Big question I want to ask is this:
Do you guys see this situation as H having an A or is he right in that since we have been separated for 8 months and a divorce is pending, he just "moved on" and that makes it ok. I thought you're either married or you're not.

What to do from here?

mom2samnalex2002

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This is just my opinion, so mind you it doesn't make it right.
I don't see seperation and a filing for divorce as making it okay to "move on" and have relations with another woman.
I tend to agree with you that a person is either married or not married.
However, here we both are posting on MB trying to get a grasp on our marriage, our spouses and affairs. So in truth, things are just not that black and white.

Some questions come to mind as to when A started? why the seperation in Oct? why the filing of the divorce?
Is it possible that he has had OW for much longer then you are aware of?

#1137739 05/18/04 09:26 PM
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Your H is having an affair. He will not be sorry at first, but might be later on. Take your time getting back with him.

#1137740 05/18/04 09:52 PM
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Some questions come to mind as to when A started? why the seperation in Oct? why the filing of the divorce?
Is it possible that he has had OW for much longer then you are aware of?

H said A started 3 1/2 weeks ago. We separated in Oct, because H decided to move out. The day I was released from the hospital after an emergency hysterectomy, I came home to find him packing. No warning. I didn't ask him to leave, and we didn't discuss it. He just left. There were/are many problems in the marriage, and I was at fault as much as he. Perhaps we should have separated, but not then, and not that way. Until 3 1/2 weeks ago, I thought we were trying to work things out- going to MC, dating, being intimate, etc....Then- nothing. but yes, it's possible he was seeing her longer than 3 weeks, but not likely because of the amount of available time he had after work, kids, and being with me. I'm not sure. The sudden, drastic change in him indicates 3 1/2 weeks is about right. Puzzle pieces began to fit together once I found out.

#1137741 05/18/04 09:57 PM
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Oh, and H filed for D because he was angry and was trying to prove a point. He had told many people about how awful I am, so they were waiting for him to file for D. After all, he'd be CRAZY to stay with me, such an awful person. Acceptance is very important to H. However, he has said (even in MC) that he wants a divorce. His reasoning prior to 3 1/2 weeks ago was that "we have to let the old relationship die before we can build a new one". This was said while he was seeing OW, though, so I think it was just him wanting to keep me hanging on.

I am not sure if I mentioned this before, but on Sun., H said he wants to put the divorce on hold because even though he feels it's what he wants now, he realizes he might change his mind.


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