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We are talking things out right now. I don't want to jump into things and set ourselves up for failure. I want to start on the road to a better life for all of us. I know that at this point we cannot afford counseling. So where do we I go from here. What steps do I need to take. Money is real tight and even affording reading material is going to be a stretch for me. H asks me if we got back together, if i was coming back as his wife. If I feel like I would be coming back as his wife but do not feel comfortable as far as intimacy goes, won't that hurt any recovery efforts at this point. That is one of the needs that H is needing met most and one of the needs I need met least. Some sound advice would be greatly apprciated.
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Hi Luci and H2y,
Good news! <img border="0" title="" alt="[Smile]" src="images/icons/smile.gif" /> U R making me smile. Very hard to do right now with a lay off hanging over our heads. But you did which is quite an accomplishment. <img border="0" title="" alt="[Wink]" src="images/icons/wink.gif" />
I recommend you both go back to the basics. Go to the library and re-read His Needs/Her Needs by Dr W Harley.
Remember as a couple U 2 need to meet @ other's needs not your own. When that is done, then the other feelings and needs fall into place. Of course this must be good needs and not bad needs. U know the difference.
Should you both be scared and cautious? Of course. Lots of hurt to overcome but don't look at the hurt. Look at your boys. Put their needs ahead of your own also.
Take it one step at a time. You have the support here to help you through. This needs to be a safe place for both of you.
Also you have our e-mail addys. Write as much as you need.
Here's mine again: mborchid2@yahoo.com
If we need to chat, let me know.
Hugz 2 u both, L.
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I am VERY happy to hear that you two are talking things out. That's a huge step for BOTH of you to take. <img border="0" title="" alt="[Smile]" src="images/icons/smile.gif" />
As far as reading books to help you out, don't forget about local libraries. Many city libraries have online catalogues where you can reserve a book that can be sent to your local branch from any others in town. Use them as soon as you can, and get the suggested readings that some have on their sig lines (Surviving an Affair, James Dobson books, etc).
Take care, Karen
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I would love nothing more than to see you 2 build a wonderful and long-lasting marriage. I believe it CAN happen.
I know you have fears. And lots of questions. You really ARE at the right place. Orchid and Topie have given you some great insight. I'm sure some others can too.
Another suggestion (and it doesn't cost anything <img border="0" title="" alt="[Wink]" src="images/icons/wink.gif" /> ) is to read as much as you can on this website. The "concepts" link at the very top of this page is a link to the Harley Basic Concepts.
We are all telling you to read. <img border="0" title="" alt="[Big Grin]" src="images/icons/grin.gif" /> Well, counseling is good too. But reading builds you from the inside. Also good --> Praying, Posting here, asking questions, and reading other people's stories.
The more reading.... and praying... and looking in the mirror... (Dr. Phil offered a mirror as one of the greatest marriage tools - on his show the other day <img border="0" title="" alt="[Smile]" src="images/icons/smile.gif" /> ) you will find some of the answers to your questions. And then you and Empty can learn some things on your journey together.
I'll paste a portion of Harley's concepts here. (This is an answer to a letter, so he is answering a woman who had an affair.)
Lucidity, you've asked if you 2 have a chance, and what would it take. Here's the basics. Can you 2 do these things? Are you willing?
</font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial">Four Rules to Guide Marital Recovery
After you are through withdrawal from the addiction to your lover, your depression will have lifted and you will no longer feel a craving to talk to your lover. At that time you will be ready to put into place rules that will guide you and your husband toward a deep love for each other. After you have followed the rules for a while (six months to two years), you and your husband will be soul-mates.
These are the Four Rules to Guide Marital Recovery that you and your husband should follow to help you restore your love for eachother:
1. The Rule of Protection: Avoid being the cause of your spouse's unhappiness.
If you and your husband want to be in love with each other, you must build your Love Bank accounts. But before you build them, you must be sure there are no leaks in the Love Bank. It's pointless to deposit love units into a sieve, where every deposit is promptly withdrawn by a Love Buster. So you must make a special effort to plug up those leaks by committing yourselves to avoid being the cause of each other's unhappiness.
The most obvious things spouses do to ruin their love for each other is what I call Love Busters. They are angry outbursts, disrespectful judgments, annoying behavior, selfish demands and dishonesty. ...
Most of the Q&A columns I've posted on the Marriage Builders? web site focuses attention on the Policy of Joint Agreement (never do anything without an enthusiastic agreement between you and your spouse). This policy protects both you and your husband from each other thoughtless decisions. Your affair was a blatant example of thoughtlessness on your part because you knew it would hurt your husband, but you went ahead and did it anyway. The Policy of Joint Agreement is a very important guide to helping you keep the Rule of Protection. That's because it helps you realize that anything you do that hurts your husband is off limits to you, regardless of how wonderful it makes you feel.
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2. The Rule of Care: Meet your spouse's most important emotional needs.
The way to deposit the most love units is to meet a person's most important emotional needs. ...
... Sometimes a spouse must learn to meet a need that he or she has never been very effective in meeting. Many of the spouses I've counseled have had to learn to be affectionate for the first time in their lives. They also have had to learn to be stimulating conversationalists and skilled lovers. They have had to learn to provide greater financial support, become more effective in their parenting skills and learn to become admiring instead of being critical. New habits that lead to need fulfillment can be learned by anyone. All it takes is a plan and willingness to follow it until expert level is achieved.
If you need help identifying and learning how to meet each other's important emotional needs, I suggest you read, His Needs, Her Needs: Building an Affair-proof Marriage. It describes the ten most important emotional needs for men and women, and how to become an expert at meeting those needs. When your husband has learned to meet your needs, he will be depositing so many love units that his account in your Love Bank will be overflowing. By then, you will be thoroughly convinced that leaving your lover to rebuild your marriage was the right decision to make.
3: The Rule of Time: Give your spouse your undivided attention.
... Your husband may already know how to meet your emotional needs, but unless he sets aside enough time to do it, all of his skill does you no good at all. It's the man who gives you time for undivided attention who will win your heart.
I suggest that you and your husband plan to spend at least 15 hours each week together, giving each other your undivided attention. Use that time to meet each other's emotional needs for affection, conversation, recreational companionship and sexual fulfillment. I have found that if that amount of time is taken to meet emotional needs, you can spend the rest of your 100 waking hours each week doing just about anything you please, without any risk to your love for each other. But if you do not set aside that time, your good intentions will not buy you a single love unit.
Since most everything we do must be scheduled or we don't do it, I suggest you take about a half an hour each week (say, Sunday afternoon from 3:30 to 4:00) to schedule your time together for the next week. Get out your schedules and write each other into your appointment books. Once scheduled, don't let anything interfere with your time together.
I suggest spending the same days and times together every week because it's easier to remember than a new time each week. Besides, you can be better emotionally prepared to be with each other if you always know that Tuesday evening you will be together from 7 to 10.
I also suggest that you spend time together when you have plenty of energy. Don't give each other the leftovers, give each other the best of yourselves. That's why I generally rule out time together after 11:00 pm. For one thing, you need your sleep for the challenges of the next day, and for another, there are not too many people who are at their best that late at night.
Finally, I suggest that you spread your time out every week, giving each other at least one hour of undivided attention every day. I am generally opposed to cramming all of your time together into a marathon weekend of 15 hours, because undivided attention is required, and 15 hours of anything makes undivided attention almost impossible.
4. The Rule of Honesty: Be completely honest with your spouse.
We have already discussed honesty as an extraordinary precaution to prevent you from contacting your lover, so I won't say much more about it. But what you begin as an extraordinary precaution, must become the standard way you and your husband communicate with each other -- with openness and honesty.
You have not been honest with your husband. If you had been honest, you could never have had an affair. Your honesty is your husband's greatest protection because it lets him know what you are up to. It also helps you both make adjustments to each other. Instead of having an affair, you should have told him how unhappy you were with his negligence of you, and how you were falling in love with another man who would give you his time and attention. If you had ended the budding relationship then, and focused on getting more of your husband's undivided attention, you would not have put both of you through such an ordeal.
The Basic Concepts section of this web site contains a section entitled, "the Policy of Radical Honesty." It outlines precisely what the rule of honesty is. It's complete honesty. I want you to read it over very carefully, because it explains precisely how honest you and your husband are to be with each other.
But be careful not to let Love Busters ruin the purity and value of honesty. Keep anger, disrespect and demands out of your honest expression of facts and feelings. If you can do that, you will find your honesty will not only help you find solutions to your problems, but it will also draw you closer together, and help you become the soul-mates that you can be.
If you are willing to permanently end your relationship with your lover (never see or communicate with him again), get through withdrawal, and then you and your husband follow the Four Rules to Guide Marital Recovery, I guarantee you that you will have a great marriage. And I also guarantee you that neither of you will ever suffer through an affair again. </font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial">Keep posting. We're here for both of you.
Faith1 <small>[ June 07, 2004, 09:11 PM: Message edited by: Faith1 ]</small>
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H asks me if we got back together, if i was coming back as his wife.
Lucidity....right now...you can't be his wife... and he can't be your husband...
you two need to learn how to just be friends... re-learn how to see eachother with compassion even when angry...even when wrestling with the demons of the past on both sides...
you two need to learn how to be in the room together and just enjoy that right now that person is with you...
you need to learn to cherish one another... you need to learn to speak words with respect even when hurt even when mad...
intimacy has NOTHING to do with the bedroom...
you need to learn to be friends first..for the sake of the children...regardless of the long term outcome...for which I have great hope for...
I know that at this point we cannot afford counseling
look into churches....look in to employee assistance programs... look in to studies being done a local universities..
also put a plea out here...people have books that I think they would be willing to share....
I have the Shel Silversteins THE GIVING TREE...which I highly recomend....
and lucidity.... I encourage you to pray for openess to hearing what others tell you... I had given up posting to you a while back because I was met with so much resistance...
always told "I didn't know the WHOLE story...by you and even others..."
told that this was this or that...
but the reaction was always inaction...
to move somewhere it takes motion... I pray you get yourself in motion I pray you are receptive to change and to letting go of some things you may have been holding on to a long time...even whey you are right...
strength to you ARK <small>[ June 09, 2004, 10:11 AM: Message edited by: ark^^ ]</small>
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Lucidity,
I am a Houston MB-er and met your H at one of our famous lunches. I have Harley's Lovebusters and Surviving an Affair - neither of which helped to save me from D (although XH is now talking about a long term reconciliation after he works his issues - OW is almost out of the picture, too) - perhaps you would like to have them? Also, I have a book I downloaded from another site that is very good. It was written by a BS giving advice to the WS on how to recover their marriage - interestingly she advises the BS not to read it?! You are welcome to that, as well. Finally, I know you are in the Big D (and I DO mean Dallas if you know the country western song) and your H is here. If you would like the name of an EXCELLENT counselor on the northside, I would gladly give you his name. Also, because you said money is an issue, Penny Tupy is very reasonably priced for Marriage Coaching.
If you are interested in the books I will mail them to you at my expense. E-mail me if you do want the books or the counselor's name. You can reach me at legalbeagle86@hotmail.com
Regards,
Brit's Brat/BS-43 XH-45 DS-almost 3 Status: Divorce final May 17, 2004. Husband now inquiring re: potential for long term reconcliation.
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