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I guess this is what to expect from the OM/OW.. NOTHING... I guess if nothing makes me wake up and smell the coffee.. this will...

LONDON (AP) -- Monica Lewinsky said Bill Clinton is a "revisionist of history" who lied about their relationship in his new memoir, according to a British newspaper.

In an interview with The Daily Mail, Lewinsky called the former president's account of their relationship dishonest and said he has missed an opportunity to undo some of the damage their entanglement caused her.

"He could have made it right with the book," the newspaper quoted her as saying. "But he hasn't. He is a revisionist of history. He has lied."

Lewinsky, now 30, the former White House intern whose affair with Clinton led to his impeachment, said his description of their relationship in his just-published "My Life" made it sound like the dalliance came only at her initiative and was purely physical.

"I really didn't expect him to go into detail about our relationship" in the memoir, she said .

"But if he had and he'd done it honestly, I wouldn't have minded. ... I did though at least expect him to correct the false statements he made when he was trying to protect the presidency.

"Instead, he talked about it as though I had laid it all out there for the taking. I was the buffet and he just couldn't resist the dessert," she was quoted as saying.

"That's not how it was. This was a mutual relationship, mutual on all levels, right from the way it started and all the way through. ... I don't accept that he had to completely desecrate my character."

Clinton wrote that his affair with Lewinsky revealed "the darkest part of my inner life" and led to his temporary banishment from the White House bedroom.

He said on CBS' "60 Minutes" that he became involved with Lewinsky "for the worst possible reason. Just because I could."

The Daily Mail said it interviewed Lewinsky, who lives in New York, at an undisclosed U.S. location.

The newspaper did not immediately respond to a question about whether it paid Lewinsky for the interview, a common practice in the British press.

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He used Monica like a tissue .... because he could.

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I want to get my bias out on the table up front.

I'm a man.
I'm not a big Bill Clinton fan.

Ok, with that said, who is to say that Monica is not "Re-Writing History"

I suspect they both are.

On the other side of the coin, it is quite possible that Bill Clinton did tell her she was special, etc.

Whatever it took to "close the deal" is what came out of his mouth.

Just a couple of scenarios, no way to back either of them up with any facts.

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I agree with JSC; there was "using" going on on both sides. I mean, why did Monica run home afterwards and put her dress in a box, like she knew she was preserving evidence? Why, months later, had the dress not been cleaned?

Both knew what they were, and are now, doing.

Neither is someone anyone should model their lives after.

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Monica knew he was married, she should have been a real woman to stop chasing after a married man. Bill, a man.... no matter how much fame and fortune a man have,.. he always like to have his ego stroke once or twice.. specially at his age.. young lady wants to jump his bones.. uhmm I'm not saying he isn't responsible for what he did. He is human.. just like all the WS out there... he express his feelings towards the affair, a lot of WS do.. and they all have their reasons for doing what they did. I would not go on bashing Bill Clinton for his mistakes.. all our WS were great men and women in our lives that's why we married them! So I say go easy on bill.. and Monica.. SHOULD HAVE KNOWN BETTER... She shouldn't even be talking because she got a great deal out of it.. she got fame and fortune, all Bill got was a BJ and bad publicity and almost lost his family over this.. I think he paid his DUES.. and Monica didn't... anyways that's my democratic TWO CENTS!

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I, too, am not a big Bill Clinton fan. Reminder I'm a male BS.

Having said that, I can now see that there really are two perspectives here. Clinton being the man focused on the physical aspect as men generally do. He probably had some emotional attachment to her. Remember we, men, need to have sex to fall in love and we have stronger feelings of love after the act (Ok maybe not the act she performed, lol)

Monica on the other hand being a Venutian focused more on the emotional side. She probably had a very strong emotional attachement to the exPrez. He probably made her feel very special. Probably flirted with her etc. Once the emotional bond was there it wasn't a huge leap for her to decide that it wasn't all that slutty to give Big Bill a hummer while Yasser Arafat waited in the rose garden.

So whose telling the truth. Both and Neither.

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it wasn't all that slutty to give Big Bill a hummer while Yasser Arafat waited in the rose garden.

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Monica gave Bill a SUV ???? <img border="0" title="" alt="[Confused]" src="images/icons/confused.gif" />

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One of my favorite quotes, and I'll have to paraphrase, but when all the Monica-Gate stuff was going on, and Bill said he couldn't remember all the details, someone interviewed Barbara Bush.

In her own wonderful way, Mrs. Bush said, when asked if she thought Clinton was being honest...

"Men may forget a woman's birthday; they may even forget their anniversary...but no man EVER forgets getting oral sex"

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Pep,
Yep she handed him the "key" and it was offffff to the races.....

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Bill is a pig, no other way to put it. He is a serial cheater, who has no regard for his wife's feelings or those of any of the women he used. What Monica did was wrong. However, I do feel bad for her. How would you like to be remember and ridiculed for the rest of your life for something you did in your early 20's? She was a child, star struck by being around the most powerful man in the world. It doesn't make what she did right but I think she has more then paid the price. When she dies, no matter what she does with the rest of her life, this is all that people will remember.

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</font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial"> When she dies, no matter what she does with the rest of her life, this is all that people will remember. </font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial">That, I believe, is completely up to her. She's young enough that it could be written off as the result of an immature bad decision. (I personally think she knew full well what she what doing, but that's irrelevant)

If she continues to allow herself to be interviewed, and seem to throw herself in front of the camera at every opportunity, then THAT's how she'll be judged for the rest of her life.

President Clinton, on the other hand, had a pretty decent Presidency that will be forever "stained" with this incident. Why is it we don't remember Kennedy and his administration for only his sexual exploits? Hmmm?

I'm not justifying what happened, or condoning it, but both were consenting adults. They both have their prices to pay.

"Poor, little innocent Monica, who was taken advantage of by Big, Bad Bill"? That dog don't hunt.

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I have always viewed Monica as the Poster Child for OW. She KNEW he was married, but the allure of being attractive to a powerful man, and the unbelievable thought that he'd somehow pick her over his own wife or Presidency...that she could prove to him that she really loved him, and then SHE'd get what SHE wanted. Fame, fortune, the second First Lady of the Clinton Administration. She knew full well what she was doing, as did he. If he's a pig, then she's a sow.

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</font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial">Originally posted by Harudah:
[Q] Monica knew he was married, she should have been a real woman to stop chasing after a married man.

I'm sorry.. but this is what I have to take offense with.. Bill (not Monica) took vows.. She most definitely played a roll and has to own up to her responsibility in it.. but y is he so easy to let off the hook???

Bill, a man.... no matter how much fame and fortune a man have,.. he always like to have his ego stroke once or twice.. specially at his age.. young lady wants to jump his bones

Is that like saying "A man will be a man?"

uhmm I'm not saying he isn't responsible for what he did. He is human.. just like all the WS out there... he express his feelings towards the affair, a lot of WS do.. and they all have their reasons for doing what they did. I would not go on bashing Bill Clinton for his mistakes.. all our WS were great men and women in our lives that's why we married them! So I say go easy on bill.. and Monica.. SHOULD HAVE KNOWN BETTER... Did she really?

She shouldn't even be talking because she got a great deal out of it.. she got fame and fortune, all Bill got was a BJ and bad publicity and almost lost his family over this.. I think he paid his DUES.. and Monica didn't... anyways that's my democratic TWO CENTS! [/QB]</font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial">


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