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JL,
I think your post to Broken Vessell (with the ‘dramatic exit line’) on 25/1626 Jun 04 is one of the most profound I’ve read anywhere. Have you read The Erotic Silence of the American Wife by Dalma Heyn? In it, she interviews 100s of WWs & FWWs. Why did they do it? Most of their responses are that they lost something of themselves in trying to be the “perfect wife” in the “perfect marriage.”
The book really shook me up and I couldn’t figure what was meant by their answers. Your post answers that question. It seems to be not only a religious or cultural problem, but something universal.
Telling and reminding couples that they have to be passionate lovers all through their marriage should be required teaching and counseling.
Keep up the great work and be excellent to each other.
Ronald
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Glad someone started this thread.
I *always* benefit from JL's posts.
He is tactful, insightful, candid.
I am so glad you're here, JL.
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Oh Goody, Another chance to say I like JL. JL, I like you - and your posts. Also, I admire the way you can say things. Thanks, I agree with Turtlehead, they help lots of us, not just who you post to. <img border="0" title="" alt="[Big Grin]" src="images/icons/grin.gif" /> SS
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Yeah, I like reading your stuff too JL. Even after I found out you were a guy, and old! LOL
BTW, do you have any brothers? Younger, SINGLE brothers that is???
Just kidding...
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<small>[ July 26, 2004, 06:12 PM: Message edited by: Broken Vessell ]</small>
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JL is awesome and has helped many people on this forum! <img border="0" title="" alt="[Smile]" src="images/icons/smile.gif" />
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JL is older than I ... <img border="0" title="" alt="[Big Grin]" src="images/icons/grin.gif" /> and smarter... and handsomer... and kinder... JL is ~ an ace ~
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JL rocks <img border="0" title="" alt="[Big Grin]" src="images/icons/grin.gif" />
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</font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial">Originally posted by Pepperband: <strong> JL is older than I ... <img border="0" title="" alt="[Big Grin]" src="images/icons/grin.gif" /> and smarter... and handsomer... </strong></font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial">How do you know he is handsome??? Is he cute?
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Mel:
JL may be handsome, but Pepper's cute!
...and they're 2th older than me!
-ol' 2long
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I very rarely read here, let alone write. But I have been keeping up with a friend's progress lately and I saw this. I'm so happy I did! <img border="0" title="" alt="[Smile]" src="images/icons/smile.gif" /> JL, I tried to write an email to you last month but it was returned. I wanted to thank you, and this thread gives me the opportunity to publicly do that. When I first came here, back in 1999 (as new_beginning) you took me under your wing (as did K) and helped me to navigate my bruised heart and ego. I may not have been able to save my marriage, but *I* was saved. And I truly believe that the reason my exH and I have the good relationship we do today is partly due to your reminders that he was (is) a good man who made mistakes and I was (and am) a good woman who made my own share. Surely two good people who were married for 20 years can find it in their hearts to treat each other with respect and courtesy, right? And we (my ex and I) have. As you've always said, you weren't always happy with our decisions, but you never said you weren't happy with me personally. You always offered compassion and hope. I thank you now, as I haven't been able to properly do before. I have enjoyed our conversations over the years, and have learned a lot about men from you. I respect you. I am sending you the warmest wishes for a beautiful life as your children go out into the world and you and your wife begin your life anew as a couple. You will never be forgotten. God Bless, JL (edited to add your favorite graemlin: <img border="0" title="" alt="[Eek!]" src="images/icons/shocked.gif" /> ) <small>[ July 01, 2004, 07:23 PM: Message edited by: Nyneve ]</small>
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</font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial">Originally posted by 2long: <strong> Mel: JL may be handsome, but Pepper's cute! ...and they're 2th older than me! -ol' 2long </strong></font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial">Gotta love that, 2Long! <img border="0" title="" alt="[Big Grin]" src="images/icons/grin.gif" />
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I agree w/Fraggles post: JL ROCKS!!!! Great thread RAGS. I have a lot of respect for 'ol JL. <img border="0" title="" alt="[Smile]" src="images/icons/smile.gif" /> Yep, I can say older because he admits it periodically. LOL!!! <img border="0" title="" alt="[Big Grin]" src="images/icons/grin.gif" /> JL has helped many people here @ MB. There was a rumor a while back that he was Steve in disguise. <img border="0" title="" alt="[Eek!]" src="images/icons/shocked.gif" /> <img border="0" title="" alt="[Wink]" src="images/icons/wink.gif" /> JL, you know we love and respect you like a big bro'. You have a way of getting right to the point without sticking your finger in our faces. Seems like you can tell us off royally in such a way that we say 'thanks'. Now that takes talent. Sure glad you are here on our side. Luv ya' (don't blush now - <img border="0" title="" alt="[Cool]" src="images/icons/cool.gif" /> ) L.
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</font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial"> Seems like you can tell us off royally in such a way that we say 'thanks'.</font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial">Hmmm, how does he DO that? <img border="0" title="" alt="[Wink]" src="images/icons/wink.gif" /> JL, you know I'm one of your biggest fans and every time I see another one of "us" in need of help I just wait and there you are. I wonder how many more times I can call you a dinosaur without a royal telling off. <img border="0" title="" alt="[Big Grin]" src="images/icons/grin.gif" /> <img border="0" title="" alt="[Big Grin]" src="images/icons/grin.gif" /> Jenny
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JL's my favorite golfin', physicist-MarriageBuilder here. He rules!!! <img border="0" title="" alt="[Big Grin]" src="images/icons/grin.gif" /> <img border="0" title="" alt="[Big Grin]" src="images/icons/grin.gif" /> <img border="0" title="" alt="[Big Grin]" src="images/icons/grin.gif" />
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You're the best! Susan <img border="0" title="" alt="[Cool]" src="images/icons/cool.gif" />
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RAG,
Thank you very much for the compliment. I really don't know what to say. If there were a blushing icon I would be using it.
To all of the rest of you, thank you very much, I really don't know what to say. I must say that you all make me feel appreciated and I don't really know how to respond to that.
Thank you all very much for your kind comments.
God Bless,
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Acknowledging JL... free Praising JL... free Giving JL Kudos... free Leaving JL speechless ... priceless! <img border="0" title="" alt="[Big Grin]" src="images/icons/grin.gif" />
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stunned-dad and bunchessorry gives JL the Movie Two thumbs up! <img border="0" title="" alt="[Big Grin]" src="images/icons/grin.gif" />
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